# Gun Grabbers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014 "2013-09-16T23:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/101 "2013-09-17T06:44:57Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Do you ever wonder if mass shootings in gun free zones happen because citizens are disarmed? No. It happens because America is dominated by pro-gun fanatics with zero concern for human life. America is full of gun lovers who would _cheerfully_ sacrifice the lives of their own children in the name of the only thing that matters to them: guns. I’m sure you’d _personally_ hand an arsenal to the next mass murderer to come along, and then masturbate over the resulting corpses if you thought it served the cause of Guns. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/102 "2013-09-17T06:50:53Z")
No, no, the “masturbating” rhetoric is theirs, not ours. Remember? We’re the ones who masturbate over dead children. They simply fetishize guns. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/103 "2013-09-17T10:43:58Z")
> [@toofs](#): > > Racist much? How so? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/104 "2013-09-17T10:47:38Z")
I know there isn’t any point in arguing with the gun fetishists, but I can’t resist: > [@](#): > > A new study of gun violence published by the American Journal of Public Health found that states with greater levels of gun ownership tend to have higher rates of gun-related murder. > **[New Study Links State Levels Of Gun Ownership And Homicide](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gun-violence-study_n_3924063)** > > New Study Links State Levels Of Gun Ownership And Homicide So that would seem to undermine the argument that more guns lead to less violence, but let’s be honest, the gun fetishists are all about compensating for their deep seated sense of inadequacy. It was never about the constitution, it was about them living a fantasy life in which they are empowered and significant. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/105 "2013-09-17T10:48:04Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I’m bored and I have to earn your disability check in the morning, good night. Sure. Those “Super close out sale! Everything must go!” signs won’t hold themselves up, after all. Thank you for your service. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/106 "2013-09-17T13:07:54Z")
And please Supersize it, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/107 "2013-09-17T13:59:38Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > All of the slogans tugging on emotions. > > All of the shootings in gun free zones that go on until the shooters takes himself out, or is shot by someone finally arriving(with a gun) after maximum damage. > > Fuck you, gun grabber. Opinions are like assholes, and you **ain’t** any nice guy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/108 "2013-09-17T14:12:07Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > TJ was a man. He never “ratified” anything. The version that is in the national archive and passed by congresst is as follows… > > > [@](#): > > > > A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. I dare you to try parsing that. That supernumerary comma, by rendering the passage syntactically meaningless, arguably invalidates the entire Amendment ([del]you’ll note[/del] I’ll point out that there’s no severability clause). You’d probably do better to accept the version that’s actually a sentence. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/109 "2013-09-17T14:20:34Z")
Also, while you’re correct that Jefferson didn’t “ratify” the amendment under any punctuation at all, he did _authenticate_ it, following ratification by the Senate. [Cite.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text) ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/110 "2013-09-17T16:58:04Z")
We should support gun control here, but we should arm rebels in other countries that want freedom from an oppressive government. Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/111 "2013-09-17T17:26:11Z")
Not sure if that’s apropos of anything, but never mind; it’s just good to know you’re still looking in on the thread now and then. Could I ask you, as a special favor, to address my questions in post 66? Thanks awfully. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/112 "2013-09-17T17:30:06Z")
Good to know the strokers are still holding to their view that any democratically-passed law that annoys them authorizes an armed uprising. Consistent of 'em, anyway, mass murders notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![elninost0rm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@elninost0rm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elninost0rm)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/113 "2013-09-17T18:46:42Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I’m bored and I have to earn your disability check in the morning, good night. The fact that anyone has engaged you after this post is worse than the sum of everything you’ve posted thus far. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/114 "2013-09-17T19:01:51Z")
Has the OP noticed that one of the first victims of the Naval Yard shooting was an armed police officer. That was the source of one of the handguns used in the shooting. He took it of the dead officer. Good thing there was an armed person there to prevent this…oh, wait… [ > [@](#): > > ]([U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20535835-navy-yard-shooter-reported-hearing-voices-6-weeks-before-spree-police-say?lite)) > [Military officials said Tuesday that Alexis had a security card that allowed him access to the Navy Yard, and he shot his way into an office building there by killing a police officer at the base and grabbing his handgun.](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20535835-navy-yard-shooter-reported-hearing-voices-6-weeks-before-spree-police-say?lite) > [ ]([U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20535835-navy-yard-shooter-reported-hearing-voices-6-weeks-before-spree-police-say?lite)) ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/115 "2013-09-17T19:06:49Z")
All I’ve got to say on the subject is that the second amendment is the last remaining effective article of the Bill of Rights. Guns, murders and suicides will continue to proliferate in the United States. Nothing can be done about it. The cause is hopeless. The NRA leaders and gun executives have blood on their hands and are perfectly happy about it. To hell with them. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/116 "2013-09-17T19:09:11Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Not sure if that’s apropos of anything, but never mind; it’s just good to know you’re still looking in on the thread now and then. > > Could I ask you, as a special favor, to address my questions in post 66? Thanks awfully. No problem. For reference, here was your post…Sorry for the delay. I’ll have you know that my staff was strictly reprimanded for not notifying me of this, or else I would have dropped everything and given a prompt response to such important questions. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is it an actual “name” name? Who is named that? > > Or is it a “name-calling” name? If it’s that, please forgive me, but I’m not really persuaded that that’s functionally different from a “slogan tugging on emotions.” Yes. It’s a name for a certain group of people that want to disarm the US populace, so it isn’t a name calling name. Name calling isn’t a slogan tugging on emotions. Gun worshipers might be a name calling name. Gun grabbers is something that actually exists. Now if you said gun right’s worshipers, I would not argue that that is a name -calling name. I’d say it is a name that defines people who believe in the right of gun ownership. I hope that explains how I answered a question about something I have never heard of…a name-calling name. Speaking of name calling, I could compare the names I have been called here to transcripts of playground conversations at recess back in elementary school with some of the names I’ve been called in this thread. Pretty funny stuff. Kinda gives you a good idea when someone has nothing. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/117 "2013-09-17T19:11:21Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > All I’ve got to say on the subject is that the second amendment is the last remaining effective article of the Bill of Rights. Guns, murders and suicides will continue to proliferate in the United States. Nothing can be done about it. The cause is hopeless. > > The NRA leaders and gun executives have blood on their hands and are perfectly happy about it. > > To hell with them. That dang NRA should not have given those guns to the Mexican cartels. When is the media going to go after the NRA for that Fast and Furious stuff? The NRA has blood on it’s hands. I hope Obama gets Holder on that ASAP when they are done getting Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/118 "2013-09-17T19:11:29Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Yes. It’s a name for a certain group of people that want to disarm the US populace, so it isn’t a name calling name. Of course it is name calling. And quite transparently so. That you don’t see that it is is very sad and speaks to a lack of proper upbringing. Disclaimer: I own guns and hold a CHL in Texas. ETA: Oh, and to be more clear (as you don’t seem to have the best grasp on etiquette, vocabulary, or intelligence), “gun grabber” is a [perjorative](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjorative) term. Whether or not it is accurate (or accurate about some people and not about others), it is meant to convey contempt or disrespect about a certain group of people. That’s virtually the textbook definition of name calling, which should not be a trait of “a nice guy”. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/119 "2013-09-17T19:14:29Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Has the OP noticed that one of the first victims of the Naval Yard shooting was an armed police officer. That was the source of one of the handguns used in the shooting. He took it of the dead officer. Good thing there was an armed person there to prevent this…oh, wait… > > [URL=“[U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20535835-navy-yard-shooter-reported-hearing-voices-6-weeks-before-spree-police-say?lite)”] I guess an unarmed guard would be better. Please advise Obama to disarm the secret service. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014/120 "2013-09-17T19:15:51Z")
Can we just dismiss this notion that the Navy Yard was a gun free zone? There were armed guards at the Navy Yard, in fact there were more armed guards there than are in the NRAs proposal for armed guards at schools. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-grabbers/669014.md?page=7)