Note that I said federal laws. If all sales must go through dealers in Cali (a state provision), the supposed gunshow loophole would be even more laughable.
You’re right. I don’t. FTR, what’s the incentive to register as an FFL dealer?
Unless one can buy a gun from a private collector at a California gun show, which is my understanding of how it works.
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You’re right. I don’t. FTR, what’s the incentive to register as an FFL dealer?
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For most, it is either their primary or secondary form of employemnt - gun dealer. It is a legitimate and sometimes, profitable line of work. An FFL allows dealers to purchse guns at wholsale prices and then sell them at retail. You get the gist.
I hate to be a pain about this, but do you have any kind of cite in that regard? It makes no sense, that those in power in Cali would force all gun sellers / buyers to register EVERY purchase, unless it were to be done within the confines of a “gunshow”. Know what I mean?
The gunshow loophole is a common fallacy promoted by those who consider themselves anti-gun. I have yet to see any loophole to date. Just a lot of hot air.
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Well, you ask about a Gun grab and want us to accept that there is such a thing but seem strangely reluctant to give us a quote. So, I am asking you for a cite, and you seem unable to give a decent cite. Why is that? If the cite is safe, why not end this by clicking and providing us with a quote? Or a prcis? Or are you unable to rephase the cite in your own words?
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You continue to speak for “us”, but that’s okay.
I did not ask about a gun grab. I asked about the linked article, whether you (all) thought it was about a gun grab and part of a slippery slope to more of the same or worse. Or whether you (all) thought the action reported in the article was a good thing and warranted.
Again, why are you (singular) trying to turn a debate about the quality of an action reported in an article into one about your reluctance to click on a mystery link?
You could, I guess, start another thread to discuss your concerns?
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Unless one can buy a gun from a private collector at a California gun show, which is my understanding of how it works.
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You can not sell a gun to a non-dealer legally at a gun show or anywhere else in CA.
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mangeorge** The facts have now been revealed. Nice try.
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You can not sell a gun to a non-dealer legally at a gun show or anywhere else in CA.
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mangeorge** The facts have now been revealed. Nice try.
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Huh?
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My understanding is that state and federal laws regulating the sale and transfer of weapons, like background checks, etc., are much more lax for individuals who classify themselves as gun “collectors” rather than gun dealers, that gun shows are swarming with “collectors” who are all mysteriously in a position to be able to sell off their collections when the gun show comes to town, and that enforcement is nil at gun shows.
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Your “understanding” is flawed. Interstate transfers of all handguns, for instance, may only be made from one FFL holder to another and all transfers from an FFL holder to anybody are subject to a NICS check. Many jurisdictions also place very strict limits on the quantity of guns an unlicensed “collector” can acquire in a short time frame. And lots of places have banned, or are attempting to legislate bans, on all gun shows; Cook County, Illinois is getting ready to discuss such a thing right now.
The manner in which you describe your transaction is either leaving out some significant facts, or it was an illegal transaction. All firearms sales made from a “store” are subject to an NICS check. If a “place of business” offers for sale firearms, it must hold an FFL. And as noted above, all transfers facilitated thru an FFL, are required to be passed thru an NICS check. Additionally, you state the NRA should not be held blameless for transfers which can be made without an NICS check. The NRA has stated more than once, that they would support legislation requiring an NICS background check be made on all firearms transfers, if such legislation isn’t loaded down with a bunch of other odious requirements.
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Unless one can buy a gun from a private collector at a California gun show, which is my understanding of how it works.
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Another flaw in your understanding. As Johnny L.A. noted prior to your post, all firearms transfers (and even temporary loans) in California are required to be made thru a California registered gun dealer.