# Gun hater makes argument for guns **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337 "2019-04-10T15:45:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/1 "2019-04-10T15:45:56Z")
Read [this](http://blog.joehuffman.org/2018/02/22/alison-aires-thanks-for-sharing/#more-10035666). > [@](#): > > You _can_ legislate culture. You just don’t have the guts to do it. Prohibition was half-assed. The war on drugs is half-assed. Let me tell you how you _actually_ get guns banned. > > You use the fucking data that the NSA has > > \ > > And when you inevitably catch these fuckers with banned material? You don’t haul them into a cushy prison. Once the gavel comes down, you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them. Well done, Alison! You’ve just given a great example of one of the primary reasons Americans want guns. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/2 "2019-04-10T15:55:20Z")
“you haul their asses into the town square or the main road or whatever the local equivalent is and you execute them.” “And if people rebel? If people get angry and erupt into civil war? Then you put them down.” Allison imagines she has a faceless, opinion-less army of stormtroopers to do her bidding (the “you” stuff quoted here). Allison is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/3 "2019-04-10T15:56:41Z")
Who the hell is Alison Aires? Seriously, AFAICT she’s some random person who posted some drivel on Facebook. “Idiot posts idiocy” is hardly worth a thread. ETA: To clarify, so I’m not accused of threadshitting - if a politician like Nancy Pelosi or Ilhan Omar, or even a known anti-gun activist like David Hogg had posted this, absolutely it would be worth discussing. But unknown people post random shit all the time on social media, why the hell is this one worth talking about? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/4 "2019-04-10T15:59:24Z")
That’s not an argument for guns. It’s quoting the ravings of an idiot. Saying, “look, an idiot, and she wants to ban guns” isn’t an argument supportive of anything. You and I both live in countries where guns are highly regulated and gun violence is minimal, and we don’t execute people in the town square. In fact like most civilized countries which respect human life we don’t execute anyone at all, ever, no matter what they’re convicted of. The US – which loves guns – incarcerates more people than any other major country on the planet, and executes many of them. Tens of thousands more die every year from lack of health care, although they are free to shoot themselves if that helps alleviate their discomfort. I don’t see what you’re trying to prove here. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/5 "2019-04-10T16:01:47Z")
For bonus points, the guy who writes that blog thinks that [advocating for gun control ought to be illegal.](http://blog.joehuffman.org/2013/03/07/conspiracy-to-infringe/) So, loonies all around. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/6 "2019-04-10T16:02:26Z")
It proves straw is cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/7 "2019-04-10T16:44:52Z")
I used to think that regulating guns was important, but now that I know there’s a person out there who posted on facebook that they think the government should shoot people who disobey gun laws, I’m totally changing my mind! There’s clearly a need for us all to own guns, to protect us from the evils that the government is about to perpetrate against us! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/8 "2019-04-10T16:56:25Z")
I agree that the war on drugs is half assed. We should take all of the lying and propaganda out of it. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/9 "2019-04-10T17:31:32Z")
**Gun owner makes argument against guns** Read [this](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/15/18267163/new-zealand-shooting-christchurch-white-nationalism-racism-language). > [@](#): > > to show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands He then shot and killed a bunch of people! Well done, Brenton! You’ve just given a great example of one of the primary reasons Americans want to ban guns. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/10 "2019-04-10T18:24:04Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > **Gun owner makes argument against guns** > > Read [this](https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/15/18267163/new-zealand-shooting-christchurch-white-nationalism-racism-language). And your point is? Two wrongs don’t make a right. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/11 "2019-04-10T18:27:37Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your point is? Two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re right, citing random people saying stupid things is a terrible way to make an argument. I’ll keep that in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/12 "2019-04-10T18:48:49Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your point is? Let’s start with your point, first. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/13 "2019-04-10T23:30:46Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Read [this](http://blog.joehuffman.org/2018/02/22/alison-aires-thanks-for-sharing/#more-10035666). > > Well done, Alison! You’ve just given a great example of one of the primary reasons Americans want guns. I really, really doubt that this is one of the primary reasons Americans want guns. In fact I think that “fear of being executed for breaking the law” isn’t even in the top ten reasons - I can think of at least a dozen different varmints that persons might want to shoot, and that’s not even counting the collectors, target shooters, competition shooters, and criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/14 "2019-04-11T05:11:39Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Well done, Alison! You’ve just given a great example of one of the primary reasons Americans want guns. Because the typical pro-gun American supports killing anyone who politically disagrees with them. Just like the extremist you quote; just using guns to do it with. Thus all the calls for “Second Amendment solutions” against anyone not right wing enough. The difference is, you have to dig up some obscure anti-gun extremist to find someone willing to call for violence agaisnt gun owners, while the right wing elected somebody who calls for the murder of their opponents President. Calls for violence are fringe on the Left, mainstream on the Right. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/15 "2019-04-11T06:25:48Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I really, really doubt that this is one of the primary reasons Americans want guns. In fact I think that “fear of being executed for breaking the law” isn’t even in the top ten reasons - I can think of at least a dozen different varmints that persons might want to shoot, and that’s not even counting the collectors, target shooters, competition shooters, and criminals. That’s why residents _of other countries_ primarily want guns. America has a much more aggressive primary reason. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/16 "2019-04-11T08:01:00Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > That’s why residents _of other countries_ primarily want guns. America has a much more aggressive primary reason. Not really, but those who want guns because they view them as the ultimate symbol of power outyell, despise and insult the farmers and hunters who want guns because they’re tools, and the sports shooters who just enjoy shooting at targets in a controlled environment. It’s in part a case of “loud idiots make for bigger-font headlines than quiet, normal folk.” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-hater-makes-argument-for-guns/832337/17 "2019-04-11T12:28:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > And your point is? Two wrongs don’t make a right. Please post ironic self-criticism inside spoiler tags. As is, I sputtered Diet-Coke all over my screen!