# Gun nuts threaten gun store owner for selling gun they don't like **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584 "2014-05-03T15:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/261 "2014-05-05T23:46:21Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > As I said, I don’t accept that definition. It doesn’t matter what _you_ accept – what matters is what the _law_ accepts. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Goldwater has been dead for 27 years. You should probably get his dick out of your mouth. > > Supporting domestic terrorism is just batshit crazy territory. Don’t like the way he does business, go ahead and boycott. Get a permit and picket. Just don’t fucking turn into a vigilante. Not to mention he was a conservative, not an anarchist. He wasn’t speaking literally. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/262 "2014-05-06T01:09:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > More stupidity. No one is saying it “smart guns” may not be useful. But it is an egregious violation of the Second Amendment to mandate that ONLY “smart guns” may be sold. Question – which law says that? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/263 "2014-05-06T01:13:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Question – which law says that? Both NJ and California have laws that say if a “smart gun” is offered for sale anywhere, no other guns will be allowed to be sold in that state. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/264 "2014-05-06T01:19:39Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Both NJ and California have laws that say if a “smart gun” is offered for sale anywhere, no other guns will be allowed to be sold in that state. Thank you. Yeah, that’s a pretty bad law, but in no way does it justify mafia-style tactics. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/265 "2014-05-06T01:20:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Both NJ and California have laws that say if a “smart gun” is offered for sale anywhere, no other guns will be allowed to be sold in that state. I’m curious how those laws got passed. Was the NRA sleeping at the time? Was there an epic battle over it? Did the voters approve it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/266 "2014-05-06T01:28:01Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’m curious how those laws got passed. Was the NRA sleeping at the time? Was there an epic battle over it? Did the voters approve it? California, it was [SB 293.](http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/267 "2014-05-06T01:38:46Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Question – which law says that? > [@running\_coach](#): > > Both NJ and California have laws that say if a “smart gun” is offered for sale anywhere, no other guns will be allowed to be sold in that state. It’s funny, this is like the third time this question was asked. It’s like the liberals cannot believe such a ridiculously authoritarian law can actually exist - but then when they find out it does exist they defend it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/268 "2014-05-06T01:49:09Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > It would be useful keeping kids from playing with Mommy’s/Daddy’s gun and accidentally shooting themselves or someone else. Since this is a neglible stat anyway, the benefit _(ETA: while real)_ is minimal. > > It would be useful for eliminating firearms obtained by theft from homes, cars, etc., provided the lawful owner keeps the secret decoder ring/bracelet stored seperately. > > It may help prevent accidental discharges/injuries, especially for gun handling during routine maintenance/cleaning when the owner “knows” :rolleyes: that the gun isn’t loaded. But only if said owner isn’t wearing the ring/bracelt/watch/etc. > > It won’t stop straw purchases. It won’t stop criminals who obtain guns through straw purchases; the “key” (whatever shape it comes in) will either be sold with the gun, or bought as a separate purchase, and then illegally transferred whole to the street criminal. > > It won’t stop suicides; the owner simply puts the ring/bracelet on, and then shoots themselves with their smart gun. It’s nice to know that my sister, who was killed as a child by another child family member playing with his father’s gun, is a neglible statistic. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/269 "2014-05-06T01:59:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It’s funny, this is like the third time this question was asked. It’s like the liberals cannot believe such a ridiculously authoritarian law can actually exist - but then when they find out it does exist they defend it anyway. And I defended it where? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/270 "2014-05-06T02:06:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And I defended it where? Posts #73 and #86. Though, granted, your argument could have been from ignorance (or completely ignoring numerous previous posts that pointed out the law’s existence). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/271 "2014-05-06T02:34:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Posts #73 and #86. Though, granted, your argument could have been from ignorance (or completely ignoring numerous previous posts that pointed out the law’s existence). Nowhere did I defend a law that allowed only smart guns to be sold. I stated that said merchant should be allowed to sell a product IF there was a demand for it, and that people who disagreed with that should not be permitted to react by harassing the guy. Granted, I misunderstood and thought that people were saying that by selling said gun, he was encouraging law makers to create such a law. That doesn’t mean I agree that such a law should exist. Don’t twist my words around just to fit your agenda. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/272 "2014-05-06T02:46:53Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > It would be useful keeping kids from playing with Mommy’s/Daddy’s gun and accidentally shooting themselves or someone else. Since this is a neglible stat anyway, the benefit _(ETA: while real)_ is minimal. > > It would be useful for eliminating firearms obtained by theft from homes, cars, etc., provided the lawful owner keeps the secret decoder ring/bracelet stored seperately. > > It may help prevent accidental discharges/injuries, especially for gun handling during routine maintenance/cleaning when the owner “knows” :rolleyes: that the gun isn’t loaded. But only if said owner isn’t wearing the ring/bracelt/watch/etc. > > It won’t stop straw purchases. It won’t stop criminals who obtain guns through straw purchases; the “key” (whatever shape it comes in) will either be sold with the gun, or bought as a separate purchase, and then illegally transferred whole to the street criminal. > > It won’t stop suicides; the owner simply puts the ring/bracelet on, and then shoots themselves with their smart gun. Here’s a thought - what if the “key” also had a built in communication aspect, so that it could be disabled remotely? Wouldn’t that be really cool IN SOME INSTANCES? Stolen gun - disable the key Person “goes crazy” - disable the key I would see plenty of good uses for such technology ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/273 "2014-05-06T02:54:43Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Here’s a thought - what if the “key” also had a built in communication aspect, so that it could be disabled remotely? > > Wouldn’t that be really cool IN SOME INSTANCES? > > Stolen gun - disable the key > Person “goes crazy” - disable the key > > I would see plenty of good uses for such technology Criminals crack the key, disable the guns of all those cops anxiously waiting for their “Smart Guns”. Oh, wait, the cops aren’t using them. That’s OK, we know the criminals will have them, right? So we can disable their … wait … the criminals cracked the key. Crap. Won’t they please think of the children. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/274 "2014-05-06T02:55:34Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Here’s a thought - what if the “key” also had a built in communication aspect, so that it could be disabled remotely? > > Wouldn’t that be really cool IN SOME INSTANCES? > > Stolen gun - disable the key > Person “goes crazy” - disable the key > > I would see plenty of good uses for such technology Oh yes. And of course, with all the stories of cracked codes and NSA built-in back-doors in communication/encryption software, the idea that the government will have the means to disable any such gun any time they want will NEVER become widely spread. And isn’t it great to own a gun where if your battery is discharged or dead, you can’t use it? Wonderful idea. Today so many appliances can crash and have to be rebooted. Happens quite regularly to my TV. Soon you maybe will have to reboot your gun and hope the reboot clears the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/275 "2014-05-06T02:57:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > More stupidity. No one is saying it “smart guns” may not be useful. But it is an egregious violation of the Second Amendment to mandate that ONLY “smart guns” may be sold. What court decisions are you basing that claim on? I see nothing in the text of the Second Amendment regulating the right to SELL arms. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/276 "2014-05-06T03:00:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What court decisions are you basing that claim on? I see nothing in the text of the Second Amendment regulating the right to SELL arms. More coy stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/277 "2014-05-06T03:17:30Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > More coy stupidity. I can’t help but notice you didn’t answer the question. What court decision has held that banning the sale of certain kinds of guns violates the Second Amendment? ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/278 "2014-05-06T03:17:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What court decisions are you basing that claim on? I see nothing in the text of the Second Amendment regulating the right to SELL arms. The 2nd Amendment clearly implies that the right of the People to keep and bear arms is at least necessary to insure that a militia is well regulated. Now, does any small arms expert care to opine whether the smart guns offered for sale at this time are sufficient to arm a militia … a militia that will see to the security of a free state? I suggest that the gun in question is not sufficient to such a task. If not, it doesn’t satisfy the requirements of supplying a militia. If the authorities ban the other arms that adequately fill the roles of militia-ready weapons, then they have undermined the 2nd Amendment. On that subject, as far as I know, the courts aren’t yet on record with decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/279 "2014-05-06T03:25:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I can’t help but notice you didn’t answer the question. What court decision has held that banning the sale of certain kinds of guns violates the Second Amendment? No such court decision. And “banning the sale of certain kinds of guns” is not the problem in this case. It is “banning the sale of all kinds of guns except one”. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/280 "2014-05-06T03:38:45Z")
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