# Gun nuts threaten gun store owner for selling gun they don't like **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584 "2014-05-03T15:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/21 "2014-05-03T19:01:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What law is that? [This one](http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/AL02/130_.PDF). ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/22 "2014-05-03T19:14:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Yep, [he was going to sell the wrong kind of gun](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/05/02/fearing-for-his-store-embattled-gun-dealer-sleeps-there/?hpid=z2), . . . How dare you threaten to shoot me! Shoot the politicians. Take them out on the street and shoot them. How dare you threaten to shoot me. Is that a giant bottle of booze? ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/23 "2014-05-03T19:16:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since you brought it up, what insidious group or groups might you think were behind those threats? Threats against churches, political groups, and businesses at large, or specifically against the gun store in question? Because, that particular gun store represented a keystone “domino” falling, that could start a landslide of sorts. The > **[N.J. Democrat: We will reverse smart gun law if NRA plays ball](https://www.msnbc.com/all/democrat-we-will-reverse-smart-gun-law-msna321096)** > > NRA, get out of the way of smart gun technology, says N.J. Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg. issue is more complex than “Smart guns save lives” or “Your damned ‘smart gun law’ will ban other guns”. These are politicians playing power games with a Constitutional Right. No one is as insidious as a politician. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/24 "2014-05-03T19:27:22Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > Threats against churches, political groups, and businesses at large, or specifically against the gun store in question? Because, that particular gun store represented a keystone “domino” falling, that could start a landslide of sorts. The > > [N.J. Democrat: We will reverse smart gun law if NRA plays ball](http://www.msnbc.com/all/democrat-we-will-reverse-smart-gun-law) > > issue is more complex than “Smart guns save lives” or “Your damned ‘smart gun law’ will ban other guns”. These are politicians playing power games with a Constitutional Right. No one is as insidious as a politician. You’re still playing that sly “hint” game. Are you saying you think the NRA is behind this, or are you saying the Democrats are? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/25 "2014-05-03T19:29:57Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I believe the main objection is a New Jersey law stating that all guns sold in the state would have to be smart guns within three years of smart guns being sold _anywhere_. Thus, this Rockville store would apparently have been the first to sell these weapons, thus setting the NRA set into action. If that is true, I fully endorse the “gun nuts” action. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/26 "2014-05-03T19:34:11Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > [This one](http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2002/Bills/AL02/130_.PDF). Thank you. I believe the relevant passage is this: > [@](#): > > To accomplish this objective, the Legislature > 10 determines that it should enact legislation designed to further enhance > 11 firearms safety by requiring that, within a specified period of time after > 12 the date on which these new personalized handguns are deemed to be > 13 available for retail sales purposes, no other type of handgun shall be > 14 sold or offered for sale by any registered or licensed firearms dealer in > 15 this State. I don’t think it means the first time a gun shop owner in that state offers one for sale, though. It says “deemed to be available for retail sales purposes”, which would be the first time the manufacturer of said weapon puts it on the market. That ball is _already_ in motion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/27 "2014-05-03T19:35:35Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If that is true, I fully endorse the “gun nuts” action. You fully support domestic terrorism? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/28 "2014-05-03T19:37:33Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If that is true, I fully endorse the “gun nuts” action. You’re an idiot. Even though I don’t support the laws involving “smart guns”, I also don’t support advocating violence. Way to give ammo to the other side. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/29 "2014-05-03T19:43:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’re still playing that sly “hint” game. Are you saying you think the NRA is behind this, or are you saying the Democrats are? That’s a good question. How do you effectively disarm a population of potential voters in a Democracy? This is one of the ways to realize that goal. Who, then stands to gain the most from disarming the People? I’d say the Authoritarians (in this case, the Government) stand to gain the most, so I suppose they are behind the movement to gradually disarm “you”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/30 "2014-05-03T19:47:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If that is true, I fully endorse the “gun nuts” action. You support death threats and threats to burn stuff down? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/31 "2014-05-03T19:54:30Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > That’s a good question. How do you effectively disarm a population of potential voters in a Democracy? This is one of the ways to realize that goal. Who, then stands to gain the most from disarming the People? I’d say the Authoritarians (in this case, the Government) stand to gain the most, so I suppose they are behind the movement to gradually disarm “you”. I asked you who was supposedly behind the threats towards this shop owner. Are you or are you not claiming that the Democrats are behind it? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/32 "2014-05-03T20:00:51Z")
This is a fantastic gun control/nut thread. We clocked a total of 24 consecutive posts of defensible positions before the thread left the rails. (Previous record: 5 posts, I would guess.) Good work guys! ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/33 "2014-05-03T20:05:54Z")
Thank you, **RTF** , for posting this thread. I was going to if you hadn’t. Only two things I can contribute: 1. I am agog at the levels of crazy gun nuttery is rising to. Threatening violence for selling a safer gun? Do they really think safety equates with diminished rights? 2. It seems some people in this thread want to support the crazies, but not overtly. I’m seeing this in the form of intentional ambiguity. Looking at you, **SirGalahad**. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/34 "2014-05-03T20:06:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You fully support domestic terrorism? Have you stopped beating your wife? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/35 "2014-05-03T20:09:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’re an idiot. Even though I don’t support the laws involving “smart guns”, I also don’t support advocating violence. > Way to give ammo to the other side. If it is true that once the “smart” gun is offered for sale in one store, the clock starts ticking until only “smart” guns are allowed for sale everywhere in the state, then I support the “gun nuts” using any method/pressure short of breaking laws (or even breaking laws in “civil disobedience” sense) to prevent that from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/36 "2014-05-03T20:09:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you. I believe the relevant passage is this:I don’t think it means the first time a gun shop owner in that state offers one for sale, though. It says “deemed to be > available for retail sales purposes”, which would be the first time the manufacturer of said weapon puts it on the market. That ball is _already_ in motion. No - that’s not retail sale. Retail sale is through an FFL to an individual. Unless the manufacturer is offering direct sales which it doesn’t appear to be doing. Threats of violence are bad and should be punished according to the law. Smart gun politics are bad and politicians who engage in it should be voted out of office and the state should be sued into compliance with the second amendment. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/37 "2014-05-03T20:09:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I asked you who was supposedly behind the threats towards this shop owner. Are you or are you not claiming that the Democrats are behind it? I’d say the individual who made the threats is a useful idiot puppet manipulated by elements of the media and of carefully managed “gun-culture” dis-information. I gather Politicians from both sides of the aisle benefit from, (and so are ultimately responsible for) his actions. That was easy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/38 "2014-05-03T20:10:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Have you stopped beating your wife? You said you fully support the actions of those “gun nuts”(your words, not mine). How would _you_ describe their behavior? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/39 "2014-05-03T20:11:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You said you fully support the actions of those “gun nuts”(your words, not mine). How would _you_ describe their behavior? Defending their Constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/40 "2014-05-03T20:14:19Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > No - that’s not retail sale. Retail sale is through an FFL to an individual. Unless the manufacturer is offering direct sales which it doesn’t appear to be doing. But the manufacturer making it available is what makes it available for retail sale. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=3)