# Gun nuts threaten gun store owner for selling gun they don't like **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584 "2014-05-03T15:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/41 "2014-05-03T20:15:19Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Thank you, **RTF** , for posting this thread. I was going to if you hadn’t. > > Only two things I can contribute: > > 1. I am agog at the levels of crazy gun nuttery is rising to. Threatening violence for **selling a safer gun**? Do they really think safety equates with diminished rights? > > 2. It seems some people in this thread want to support the crazies, but not overtly. I’m seeing this in the form of intentional ambiguity. Looking at you, **SirGalahad**. Putting aside the debate about the idiotic threats, it’s debatable that the gun is safer. While a kid may not be able to shoot himself or others, it’s pretty near useless as a defensive weapon and could put the user at higher risk. The company has not provided failure rates anywhere that I can find and a gun that relocks if your hand moves more than 15 inches away and requires a lengthy and cumbersome procedure to re-enter the PIN is not a safer gun. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/42 "2014-05-03T20:19:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Defending their Constitutional rights. That’s just sick. They threatened to burn down his place of business and hurt him physically. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/43 "2014-05-03T20:19:59Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If it is true that once the “smart” gun is offered for sale in one store, the clock starts ticking until only “smart” guns are allowed for sale everywhere in the state, then I support the “gun nuts” using any method/pressure short of breaking laws (or even breaking laws in “civil disobedience” sense) to prevent that from happening. You supported threats towards the gun store that included arson. That’s a crime right there. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/44 "2014-05-03T20:22:17Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You supported threats towards the gun store that included arson. That’s a crime right there. A misdemeanor in defense of Constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/45 "2014-05-03T20:23:10Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If that is true, I fully endorse the “gun nuts” action. Wow, you’re a colossal idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/46 "2014-05-03T20:23:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s just sick. They threatened to burn down his place of business and hurt him physically. Because his actions would cause denial of their Constitutional rights. As Barry Goldwater said… ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/47 "2014-05-03T20:24:57Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Thank you, **RTF** , for posting this thread. I was going to if you hadn’t. > > Only two things I can contribute: > > 1. I am agog at the levels of crazy gun nuttery is rising to. Threatening violence for selling a safer gun? Do they really think safety equates with diminished rights? > > 2. It seems some people in this thread want to support the crazies, but not overtly. I’m seeing this in the form of intentional ambiguity. Looking at you, **SirGalahad**. What did I do to support crazies? There is a man, a man who saw that selling a certain kind of gun would enable a law that castrates the 2nd Amendment. He feels so strongly that a gun store shouldn’t contribute to the evisceration of a Constitutional Right that he engaged in threats of violence. Where did I say I’m in favor of violence? I’m not. That man should go straight to the polls and vote for a candidate that will support whatever political and social positions are important to him. I gather he’ll also do that, until he’s convicted of a felony, after which he may not be able to vote for one or another reason. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/48 "2014-05-03T20:29:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > A misdemeanor in defense of Constitutional rights. I rather doubt arson is a misdemeanor anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/49 "2014-05-03T20:31:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > A misdemeanor in defense of Constitutional rights. Why do you keep saying “rights”, when it is fairly obvious this is only about the one right you put above all others? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/50 "2014-05-03T20:31:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I rather doubt arson is a misdemeanor anywhere. There was no arson. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/51 "2014-05-03T20:37:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why do you keep saying “rights”, when it is fairly obvious this is only about the one right you put above all others? Everyone has their favorite Right. Mine is freedom of religion. I wouldn’t get all “arsony” over it right away, but, you know, people have … gotten all “burn things down” over that one, too. I didn’t. Other people did. I’m non-violent. **Running Coach** , I’m looking at you! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/52 "2014-05-03T20:44:56Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > Everyone has their favorite Right. Mine is freedom of religion. I wouldn’t get all “arsony” over it right away, but, you know, people have … gotten all “burn things down” over that one, too. I didn’t. Other people did. I’m non-violent. **Running Coach** , I’m looking at you! Don’t you mean **Agent Foxtrot**? ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/53 "2014-05-03T20:45:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If it is true that once the “smart” gun is offered for sale in one store, the clock starts ticking until only “smart” guns are allowed for sale everywhere in the state, then I support the “gun nuts” using any method/pressure short of breaking laws (or even breaking laws in “civil disobedience” sense) to prevent that from happening. I suspect that it doesn’t matter at all if that is true or not. Either way, you support threats of violence towards someone who is doing nothing more insidious than selling a legal product in his store. And that makes you a misguided asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/54 "2014-05-03T20:48:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Defending their Constitutional rights. Which rights in particular? ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/55 "2014-05-03T20:48:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Don’t you mean **Agent Foxtrot**? Him, too. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/56 "2014-05-03T20:51:30Z")
> [@SirGalahad](#): > > Him, too. And the Democrats, too! They’re ALL part of it!!!:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/57 "2014-05-03T20:52:13Z")
It’s probably obvious, but Cliven Bundy has invigorated and emboldened the gun-nutter and militia types. They’ve claimed their first victory and are looking for the next one. We should expect more of this. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/58 "2014-05-03T20:52:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And the Democrats, too! They’re ALL part of it!!!:dubious: No, just Running Coach and Agent Foxtrot. And, you, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/59 "2014-05-03T21:18:10Z")
Wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/60 "2014-05-03T21:41:50Z")
> [@Club\_33](#): > > I suspect that it doesn’t matter at all if that is true or not. > > Either way, you support threats of violence towards someone who is doing nothing more insidious than selling a legal product in his store. And that makes you a misguided asshole. I’ll go along with the asshole remark, but he’s no more misguided than a V-1 missile. He was primed, aimed, and fired by people who know exactly what their target is. He’s not very accurate, but with enough of them in the air, something is going to get hit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=4)