# Gun nuts threaten gun store owner for selling gun they don't like **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584 "2014-05-03T15:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/81 "2014-05-04T03:31:23Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I don’t subscribe to either of those definitions (especially since 2 and 3 are circular). > > Terrorism is violence directed at innocent civilians that is not purely criminal in intent. > > To exemplify: ambushing an “occupier” military patrol is not terrorism. Blowing up a pizzeria to make a political point is. Let’s take of that little blind spot of yours: “1. the use of violence _ **and threats** _ to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.” You support terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/82 "2014-05-04T03:35:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Let’s take of that little blind spot of yours: > “1. the use of violence _ **and threats** _ to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.” As I said, I don’t accept that definition. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/83 "2014-05-04T03:37:47Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > As I said, I don’t accept that definition. Reality sucks for you, then. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/84 "2014-05-04T03:45:45Z")
Ok. Terr supports terrorism according to the dictionary and most people, but not according to his own personal definition. I can accept that. Having read a little of the self serving justifications of Sendero Luminoso I’m guessing his stance isn’t an unusual one. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/85 "2014-05-04T03:50:40Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Ok. Terr supports terrorism according to the dictionary and most people, but not according to his own personal definition. I can accept that. Having read a little of the self serving justifications of Sendero Luminoso I’m guessing his stance isn’t an unusual one. According to [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) definition, (“the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes”) a lot of US government actions qualify. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/86 "2014-05-04T03:54:26Z")
It might not be out right terrorism, but it’s definitely making terroristic threats. Duh. > [@Terr](#): > > No but you do have a Constitutional right to bear arms, for self-defense. Which would be violated if “smart guns” are the only ones allowed on the market. So that gives you the right to act like the fucking mafia? And they’re NOT the only ones on the market, and if you don’t want them to be, the correct way to stop that is to lobby the politicians. NOT to go and threaten some innocent merchant who’s only exercising HIS right of free enterprise. Boycott the store, speak out against him, but DON’T PROPOSE BLOWING UP HIS FUCKING BUILDING, YOU FUCKING MORON. I don’t like the KKK, but I’m not going to go out and threaten to bomb their headquarters. Because they have a right to freedom of speech. This guy selling these guns is NOT violating your second amendment rights. He’s not taking your guns away – he’s selling a product that other people are interested in. If nobody wants to buy the gun, he won’t sell it anymore. God, what did you pour on your cheerios growing up, bleach? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/87 "2014-05-04T03:58:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And they’re NOT the only ones on the market, and if you don’t want them to be, the correct way to stop that is to lobby the politicians. According to the post above, they will be the only ones on the market, by law, if that merchant starts selling them. If that is not true, I fully support this merchant and others selling them as much as they want. > [@](#): > > This guy selling these guns is NOT violating your second amendment rights. His actions (again, if that law exists as described) directly lead to violation of the Second Amendment rights. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/88 "2014-05-04T04:07:07Z")
Then boycott the store, protest, lobby your congressmen, etc. Just because you have the right to bear arms doesn’t mean that gives you unlimited rights to do what you want, and threaten other, law-abiding citizens with violence. That merchant does NOT make the laws – he’s not a politician. A right to bear arms doesn’t mean you have say, the right to shoot anyone who annoys you. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/89 "2014-05-04T04:09:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Then boycott the store, protest, lobby your congressmen, etc. Just because you have the right to bear arms doesn’t mean that gives you unlimited rights to do what you want, and threaten other, law-abiding citizens with violence. That merchant does NOT make the laws – he’s not a politician. > > A right to bear arms doesn’t mean you have say, the right to shoot anyone who annoys you. There was no shooting anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/90 "2014-05-04T04:09:50Z")
That’s pretty weak shit man. Lawmakers are the ones who crafted that bullshit in New Jersey. The shopkeeper is only one step in the process created by the State. It’s pretty shit to attribute blame to him without also the state legislature. If it’s time to start the revolution the first on the wall shouldn’t be the store owner - far from it. He is not personally violating anyone’s rights. Fuck I want constitutional carry across all 50 states but the way to get there is not to threaten violence. We are still at the first box (ballot) stage. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/91 "2014-05-04T04:11:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > There was no shooting anyone. You don’t have the right to THREATEN to shoot anyone, either. If I were to call up my neighbor and say, “I’m gonna come over there and kill you now”, I can’t just say to the police, “Well, I didn’t SHOOT him, I just told him I would!” They’d still throw my ass in jail. You really have no idea how the law actually works, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/92 "2014-05-04T04:12:46Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > His actions (again, if that law exists as described) directly lead to violation of the Second Amendment rights. No, the actions of the New Jersey government leads to the (purported) violation of 2nd Amendment rights. If as you assert the law in question violates those rights, then the courts will strike it down. SCOTUS has been rather 2nd-friendly of late. This guy is just trying to run a legal business. Thinking that you have grounds to threaten _him_ is vile and repugnant. At most you have a complaint against the legislators of NJ. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/93 "2014-05-04T04:16:31Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > That’s pretty weak shit man. Lawmakers are the ones who crafted that bullshit in New Jersey. The shopkeeper is only one step in the process created by the State. It’s pretty shit to attribute blame to him without also the state legislature. If it’s time to start the revolution the first on the wall shouldn’t be the store owner - far from it. He is not personally violating anyone’s rights. His actions directly lead to Second Amendment rights violation (again, if that law exists). And of course the legislature is to blame. But so is the shopkeeper. He is aware (or if he wasn’t, he was made aware) that his actions will directly lead to violating the Second Amendment rights of people. I am glad he decided to desist. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/94 "2014-05-04T04:19:14Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > His actions directly lead to Second Amendment rights violation (again, if that law exists). > > And of course the legislature is to blame. But so is the shopkeeper. He is aware (or if he wasn’t, he was made aware) that his actions will directly lead to violating the Second Amendment rights of people. I am glad he decided to desist. Absolutely disgusting “interpretation” you’ve got there. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/95 "2014-05-04T04:19:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Absolutely disgusting “interpretation” you’ve got there. Your opinion is noted. And ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/96 "2014-05-04T04:23:55Z")
If the store owner gets an ounce of blame then the legislature should get metric fuckloads. But we don’t see lunatics threatening them (some probably do). He says he didn’t know-and when informed he demured. Talking to him worked. Threatening him was a crime. Can you see the difference? Even if he wanted to sell it and did so - it’s still the fault of the legislature. This strategy of harassing store owners is stupid anyways. An anti could and probly will just get an FFL themselves just to open a shop that sells this one gun. Why they haven’t already I don’t know. Maybe fascists are inherently retarded. Either way this guy is nothing compared to the fascists in the state government. If you place blame equally among those parties you are so fucktarded you hurt the cause. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/97 "2014-05-04T04:24:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Terrorism is violence directed at innocent civilians that is not purely criminal in intent. Like threatening shop owners for political purposes? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/98 "2014-05-04T04:24:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Your opinion is noted. And ignored. You also ignore dictionary definitions and reality itself, so I find myself in good company. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/99 "2014-05-04T04:32:32Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > If the store owner gets an ounce of blame then the legislature should get metric fuckloads. But we don’t see lunatics threatening them (some probably do). You just contradicted yourself. And yes, they get more blame. But they are liberal morons. He is a gunshop owner. He should know better. > [@](#): > > He says he didn’t know-and when informed he demured. Talking to him worked. Threatening him was a crime. Can you see the difference? A misdemeanor in defense of liberty. > [@](#): > > Even if he wanted to sell it and did so - it’s still the fault of the legislature. And his. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/100 "2014-05-04T04:32:40Z")
And why the fuck would you blame the store owner anyways - this is obviously a ploy to ban guns. The legislature for whatever reason couldn’t do it outright so they pull this bullshit. Do you also blame every single person who voted for their state legislator in New Jersey? Is it also acceptable to threaten them - I mean their actions are allowing violations of the 2nd amendment. > [@Princhester](#): > > So you’d support terrorism in defence of freedom from occupation by another country? I have no idea how this is relevant to the thread, but fuck yes. If another country is occupying us, it’s total fucking war and anything goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=6)