# Gun nuts threaten gun store owner for selling gun they don't like **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584 "2014-05-03T15:31:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/101 "2014-05-04T04:35:17Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You just contradicted yourself. And yes, they get more blame. But they are liberal morons. He is a gunshop owner. He should know better. Your statements hurt the cause of gun rights. Not as much as the New Jersey legislature, but they do none the less. And you should know better. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/102 "2014-05-04T04:39:05Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Your statements hurt the cause of gun rights. Not as much as the New Jersey legislature, but they do none the less. And you should know better. See Barry Goldwater’s quote above. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/103 "2014-05-04T04:42:50Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > **Your statements hurt the cause of gun rights**. Not as much as the New Jersey legislature, but they do none the less. And you should know better. I agree. The last thing that gun rights advocates need is a bunch of assholes who show that gun owners are not calm, rational and law abiding citizens who can be trusted with a lethal weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/104 "2014-05-04T04:42:59Z")
I wonder if McVeigh read any Goldwater. I wish my side didn’t have lunatics among us. Suffice to say I’ve read about this incident at many gun enthusiast boards. The overwhelming majority condemns the threats being lobbed at the store owner. Supporting threatening behavior is an outlier. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/105 "2014-05-04T04:47:36Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I wonder if McVeigh read any Goldwater. > > I wish my side didn’t have lunatics among us. Suffice to say I’ve read about this incident at many gun enthusiast boards. The overwhelming majority condemns the threats being lobbed at the store owner. Supporting threatening behavior is an outlier. Ah. See, I am not a “gun enthusiast”. In fact, I don’t own any guns and don’t plan to in the near future. On the other hand, I am not a journalist either, and I still support freedom of the press. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/106 "2014-05-04T04:48:01Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think you’re going to find anyone defending criminals here. … Ah, it was simpler time back at post #18. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/107 "2014-05-04T04:49:02Z")
> [@emcee2k](#): > > Ah, it was simpler time back at post #18. Echo chambers are so nice and peaceful… ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/108 "2014-05-04T04:52:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > A misdemeanor in defense of liberty. Ah, yes. The freedom to threaten other people with violence. One of those freedoms you don’t hear about so much. I guess I can steal your gun worth less than $500, too. That’s also a misdemeanor, and I’d be doing it because I’m afraid of you limiting my freedom, since you think threatening people is acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/109 "2014-05-04T04:53:47Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > See Barry Goldwater’s quote above. I don’t think Goldwater was advocating going out and issuing threats against people, shit for brains. **Bone** , no worries. A good many people in my family own guns, and they’re not a bunch of nutjobs. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/110 "2014-05-04T04:55:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Ah, yes. The freedom to threaten other people with violence. One of those freedoms you don’t hear about so much. About as much of a “freedom” as doing a “sit in”/trespassing is. > [@](#): > > I guess I can steal your gun worth less than $500, too. What gun? I do have a baseball bat though. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/111 "2014-05-04T04:58:46Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t think Goldwater was advocating going out and issuing threats against people, shit for brains. I love seeing liberals sputter. Do go on. Goldwater’s statement is a general one, not a specific one. Sometimes, in defense of liberty, extremism is no vice. The owner understood he was wrong, apologized, and desisted. Everything’s good. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/112 "2014-05-04T04:59:48Z")
And I love seeing morons rambling. Seriously, the owner “desisted” because people were threatening to kill him. He didn’t know if they were serious. > [@Terr](#): > > About as much of a “freedom” as doing a “sit in”/trespassing is. So if the mob threatens to burn down your business, they’re just doing a “sit in”? Tell you what, the next time you piss me off, I’ll call you up and threaten to kidnap your family. Sound good? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/113 "2014-05-04T05:01:42Z")
The owner [also said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8FICoRSBs) if you’re going to shoot anyone, shoot the politicians. Not a very good representative for the community, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/114 "2014-05-04T05:02:11Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > So if the mob threatens to burn down your business, they’re just doing a “sit in”? There was no mob, there was one customer. And one phone call making a general threat. And yes, the two threats were misdemeanors. So is trespassing. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/115 "2014-05-04T05:03:51Z")
Mob as in “mafia”. If a member of the mafia calls you, and says, “if you don’t do such and such, I’ll kill you”, that’s just like trespassing? Wow, what color is the sky in your world? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/116 "2014-05-04T05:11:07Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The owner [also said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX8FICoRSBs) if you’re going to shoot anyone, shoot the politicians. Not a very good representative for the community, unfortunately. I watched a bit of it (he rambles too much). He in fact said exactly what I said. He said that anyone should be able to buy whatever gun they want. BUT with that law, selling such guns is (and I quote) “that is a sin, that is godawful, that is fucked up”. And he says he was wrong. Yay for him. And I don’t know exactly what happened there - whether he was informed of the law and still insisted he’d sell the guns at first and then the threats came, or if some people (wrong-headedly) did not inform him of the law, assumed he knew of it, and then flew off the handle. Judging by that video, it was probably the second scenario. If so, that was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/117 "2014-05-04T06:01:23Z")
Can somebody shoot Terr’s goalposts? Right now they’re running around like panicked impalas. ---
**Author:** ![SirGalahad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/71c47a/32.png) [@SirGalahad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirGalahad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/118 "2014-05-04T07:04:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Demand an ID at the voting booth? You were thinking of disenfranchise, not disarm. They do both start with “D”. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/119 "2014-05-04T07:37:00Z")
This is why I often laugh when gun nuts describe themselves as law abiding citizens. Scratch the surface and little brownshirts emerge. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584/120 "2014-05-04T08:37:16Z")
I’d like to see a cite for “gun shops can only sell smart guns” being a violation of the Second Amendment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-nuts-threaten-gun-store-owner-for-selling-gun-they-dont-like/687584.md?page=7)