These posts, they are ironic.
yes, quite.
Perhaps you’d like to state what you think my “goal” is, or what my “bias” is.
Your answer again proves you would rather nitpick a poll, and project your own biases onto other people instead of trying to go with the spirit of the poll and answering honestly.
For instance, something like this:
You: "The poll really doesn’t make a lot of sense. Simply repealing the 2nd amendment won’t make personal ownership of guns illegal. A lot of laws would need to be made and so on… "
Me: “You’re right, but I meant 2nd amendment repealed and all the applicable laws are made in order to outlaw personal ownership of guns.”
You: “Oh, ok. In that case, I have answered the poll”
Me: “Thanks”
That’s nice, but you see- you** DIDN’T** put that in your OP, now did you? And posters answered your poll before any clarification.
And there were other Constitutional issues others brought up.
Your goal and bias was clear- to point out that gun owners are so depraved they’d never give up their guns, even if those guns were illegal.
Well, a poster brought up the fact that simply repealing the 2nd amendment wouldn’t make them illegal in Post #3, and I responded with clarification in Post #6.
And please quote anything posted by me that even REMOTELY resembles a thought that gun owners are depraved. Again, it seems like you are projecting your own shortcomings onto simple quests for knowledge by other posters.
I’m guessing a significant fraction of the people who come into a poll vote on the poll and maybe read the OP for clarity. Certainly they answer after reading the OP. Rarely do people read the whole thread and then vote. So your clarifications probably don’t matter in terms of the results of the poll.
That may be, but short of asking for this thread to be closed and starting a NEW poll, I wasn’t really sure what to do. Besides, I’m not using the poll as a source in a scholarly paper or anything so it isn’t that big of a deal.
Also, posters who took the poll and then read the thread to see the clarifications may haven provided some additional opinions, and that is cool too.
Better than posters who constantly yell “Poll sucks! Meaningless! You hate gun owners! Blah Blah Blah!”
if i had a gun … no i would not willing give up that right
who are they say if i am in my right mind at when they arent in their right mind … bc of their hidden values
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So why haven’t you asked for this thread to be closed, and started a NEW, more specific and well thought out, poll? It’s still your choice.
TBH, I only used the poll format because I had never done it and wanted to try it out. Besides, it looks like this topic is just about played out anyway. And I don’t feel like constantly being accused of “bias” and “motive” and “slant” and whatever.
Why single out gun owners as hypocrites? ALL of us are quick to claim the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, but NONE of us would eagerly waive those rights if the Constitution were changed.
Right now, gays happily say “The Constitution gives us the right to marry,” but if a future Court overturned Anrthony Kennedy’s feebly reasoned opinion, would gays shrug, “Oh well, guess we’ll just have to give up that right”?
Most us believe that the Constitution merely guarantees rights we already possess by the grace of God- NOT that the Constitution grants us those rights. The Constitution didn’t grant us freedom of speech. We had that right before the Constitution was written. The Constitution merely promises that rights we already had won’t be infringed on by the government.
Yeah, the thing about the Constitution is that it establishes a government, but it does not establish “Natural Rights.” The framers believed, and of course wrote, that “We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights…”
I’m an atheist, so I choose to interpret “Creator” as “the universe,” or “existence.” But that’s splitting hairs.
There was back-and-forth about even including a Bill of Rights; many of the framers had the attitude of “Why would we need to even put this in? It’s so basic as to be trivial.” But they did, and here we are.
It’s not up to any government to “give” me the right to be a free-thinking human being. By being born, I automatically have that Natural Right. Nor is it up to the government to “give” me the right of self defense. You’re born with it–whether you choose to take advantage of the right or not.
Slavery being legal didn’t make slavery right; prohibiting alcohol didn’t make the prohibition of alcohol right; and rescinding the 2nd Amendment wouldn’t make it right.
TL;DR = No. I would not give up my guns in your scenario.