# Gun Rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 30, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045 "2018-06-30T15:08:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/21 "2018-07-03T16:48:58Z")
Pretty sure the meaning was that OJ was found Not Guilty, therefore \*\*Scumpup \*\*must think he’s a Good Guy. 'Zat right? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/22 "2018-07-03T17:04:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Pretty sure the meaning was that OJ was found Not Guilty, therefore \*\*Scumpup \*\*must think he’s a Good Guy. 'Zat right? Nope. big fella, I am just referencing things that _you_ have told us on this very board. I take it from the scorn you are heaping on those ideas that you have now changed your mind? Surely your copious intellect is coupled with an equally mighty memory? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/23 "2018-07-03T17:10:25Z")
'Fraid you’re gonna need an explanation of that, including how it applies to the OJ comment the rest of us have been discussing. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/24 "2018-07-03T17:34:28Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > One post is “great lengths” in your eyes? That’s weird. That post, as short as it was, did showcase an impressive feat of mental gymnastics. > [@](#): > > As for the Bundys, I have mixed feelings on the topic. Ideally, people would not resort to violence, or threats of violence to achieve their political goals. It’s the course I’d recommend. OTOH, a jury of their peers have largely excused the actions of the Bundys and their supporters. Yeah, based on some technicalities and some stupid actions by the prosecutor. I think it is a pretty rare situation where you can get away with threatening law enforcement with lethal force, and be acquitted by a jury of your peers. > [@](#): > > I would hesitate to apply the “good guys” label to them I would not hesitate to apply the “thugs who wants to kill cops” label to them. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/25 "2018-07-03T17:35:01Z")
Good guys want guns to protect themselves from bad guys with guns. I have a question about this . If you support gun control, then I’m not interested in your answer. If you believe the Second Amendment is a God-given right that transcends any beliefs of the Founding Fathers, then I’m also not interested in your answer. If you support gun rights but believe the Second Amendment was a work of mortals rather than God then please help me understand your views — please answer the hypothetical question. Please don’t fight the hypothetical. Imagine that a genie shows up; and with a wave of his wand he can eliminate all guns in the 50 states and make it impossible for new guns to be manufactured in, or imported into, the 50 states. Police and military still have guns but the genie’s power prevents them from being misused. With the same wand he can cause Congress and the states to vote to replace the 2nd Amendment with an Amendment confirming the general gun ban. Let’s not debate whether such a genie is physically possible. Let’s stipulate that the genie exists and everyone is aware of his power. No American will need to fear a bad guy with a gun anymore. Of course, you may still fear a bad guy with a knife, and want to carry a knife for protection. _ **Would you support this No-Gun regime?** _ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/26 "2018-07-03T17:51:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … _ **Would you support this No-Gun regime?** _ No. Firearms are fantastic tools for self defense. They give the small, weak, infirm, and elderly a realistic chance of defending themselves from more physically-capable aggressors. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/27 "2018-07-03T18:37:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _ **Would you support this No-Gun regime?** _ No. I am not in favor of the physically weak, the elderly, the members of social/ethnic/religious minorities, the just plain alone, etc. being left to the mercies of those who are stronger, more numerous, or just plain more vicious. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/28 "2018-07-03T19:04:30Z")
I’d do it if the genie could also invent a completely non-lethal device that could remotely stun someone with no lasting physical damage, long enough for them to be restrained and dealt with properly. (And believe me, such a device _will_ eventually be invented, probably within 50 years.) That would be the ideal solution, to me. But in the absence of such a device, even without guns in society, people would still need to protect themselves from people trying to stab them or knock their heads in with baseball bats; and while a physically fit person would probably be able to hold their own, there’s still the issue of the physically incapacitated people which other posters have raised. ---
**Author:** ![Goodnight-Loving](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9fc29f/32.png) [@Goodnight-Loving](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goodnight-Loving)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/29 "2018-07-03T19:09:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Pretty sure the meaning was that OJ was found Not Guilty, therefore \*\*Scumpup \*\*must think he’s a Good Guy. 'Zat right? Sorry, should have quoted the first time. Ask OJ about using a gun to steal your stuff back. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/30 "2018-07-03T19:58:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > 'Fraid you’re gonna need an explanation of that, including how it applies to the OJ comment the rest of us have been discussing. That post is positively Trumpian. You’ve a long history at this board of dancing around what law abiding means, using the term “good guys” (scare quotes yours) whether the person you are responding to did or not, the “one bad day” thing is yours. Anybody who wants to can search on your name and those terms. Your posts here, on the topic of gun rights, are my cite. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045/31 "2018-07-03T20:11:34Z")
> [@Goodnight-Loving](#): > > Sorry, should have quoted the first time. > > Ask OJ about using a gun to steal your stuff back. Ah, OK, gotcha. I thought you were referring to his Not Guilty verdict in his murder trial, therefore making him a Good Guy. My question about stealing your stuff back was meant to refer to the Sheriff of Nottingham’s taxes being theft rather than public policy, thereby legitimizing Robin Hood’s image as a Good Guy. The memorabilia OJ was stealing “back” had been legally seized for the Goldmans as part of the civil judgment, something not generally thought unjust. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gun-rights/817045.md?page=1)