I’ve seen the documentary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Boys_episodes#Season_5_(2026)
Is that link supposed to mean something? I don’t see any mention of a documentary.
I saw this really really stupid T shirt one time, it had Jesus sitting center with all the superheroes sitting (kneeling? I couldn’t look very long without my brain hurting) him in adoration. Now imagine that as a franchise!
Darkseid.
-DSeid
Point is he shares the same function in comic universes and could in cinematic.
I would rather downplay the universe existential threat level villains and try to find ways to focus on characters in smaller level threats that just get … complicated.
An arc can be that threat but slowly realized and only looking back seeing that earlier films gave the hints.
But they haven’t. Both the snyderverse and this new reboot have continued to do well in theaters, for the most part. They haven’t come close to the MCU, but almost none of them have actually bombed.
That was slightly tongue in cheek but that’s the point - a profitable set of movies would be enough for many people. But the bar for major studio releases these days is something within striking distance of a billion dollars and for the major ones, well in excess of a billion.
The Justice League movie cleared nearly $700 million worldwide but also had tremendous costs. It probably made a small (by modern standards) profit. And was still considered a massive failure by the studio.
And that’s the bar the new studio heads appear to have set - massive, massive profits on 2 or 3 tentpole movies every year. They don’t want a new Justice League movie in 5 years. They want it out in the next 2 or 3 and for it to easily clear 10 figures in worldwide revenue. Otherwise, it’s a disappointing failure.
But also,
Black Adam, Blue Beetle, the Shazam sequel, and the Flash pretty much did. They did not come close to breaking even, especially the Flash movie.
The Wonder Woman sequel bombed spectacularly. And the Aquaman sequel probably broke even but not much more than that.
The big superhero movies have massive budgets of $100-200 million, with millions more in marketing costs. So it’s necessary for them to make hundreds of millions at the box office just to earn a profit. There are, or were, other sources of revenues that could contribute to a profit from the big movies, but there’s really no money in DVD sales although there may still be product placement money. Unlike Disney, Warner Bros doesn’t own theme parks so there’s not that revenue source.
The Boys season 5.
Homelander, Superman expy, attempts to declare himself God after coopting US Government and (briefly) becoming ruler-by-dicta of the United States.
You couldn’t just have described the episode in question for the one or two people who might not be familiar with that show? You just assumed we’d all be familiar with it?
The problem is a different thing, they kind of killed the universe. People turned up in quantity to see them off the back of being DC and Batman and all that, and stopped going to them afterwards (Wonderwoman, Shazams, Aquamans, etc etc). Batman vs Superman was baaaad, how they managed to get people to go to see Justice League after that was incredible.
And all of them came out after the “snyderverse” had already been cancelled and there was no reason for anyone to care. Man of Steel did like 670 million, Dawn of Justice 875m, Suicide Squad 750m, Wonder Woman 823m, Justice League 660m, Aquaman 1.15 billion. After that things went to hell, but they didn’t start off bad. Just not… MCU good.
That’s a different argument.
The claim was the Snyderverse “continued” to do well. If that’s not what was meant, well, ok.
But also Justice League making less than either of the previous Superman movies? That’s…not great. That box office take is low enough it may have actually lost a bit of money, after marketing costs are included. At best, it broke even or made a slight profit. That’s actually bad and worse than I thought. And puts the Snyder firing into better context, though Whedon was responsible for a good deal of it.
I wonder why DC has struggled and Marvel has thrived.
Marvel hit the jackpot by getting Robert Downey, Jr. for Iron Man. He made the character very distinct and memorable and his first movie is really great.
I think Kevin Feige gets a lot of credit for steering the Marvel Cinematic Universe since before Iron Man was released. Wikipedia says the combined gross of the whole series is over $32 billion, so I hope he’s well compensated for his role in that.
I thought Warner hired James Gunn to serve the same role and don’t understand why that went wrong.
Gift link to a New York Times article from 2011 about how Kevin Feige was a fan of the comic books first. That kind of knowledge and enthusiasm helps.
I saw Gunn today or yesterday said things that make it sound like the current DCU will continue without him in charge. And Man of Tomorrow is coming out in summer; it’s not getting Batgirled.
Lack of commitment and insistence on constant stand alone series while trying to also make a shared universe. Granted their standalone, mostly Batman, movies do quite well.
My understanding is that the new guy (Jeremy Latcham) worked closely with Kevin Feige at Marvel for a while, so perhaps the idea is that he might bring some of that magic over. And James Gunn is still going to produce movies, so he’s not out entirely.
Hope springs eternal, I suppose. It’s not an uncommon belief, especially at the executive level, that success in any industry can be copied from others through some combination of proximity and osmosis
Justice League’s break even point according to Wikipedia is 750m, it was a bomb. Break even is usually 2.5-3x budget. Man of Steel barely broke even. Considering that they could have invested that money elsewhere they probably are happy with 3 the performance of 3 out of the 15 DCEU films (WW, Aquaman, Suicide Squad). And that probably oversells things to because the movies were bad and that damaged the brand event though individually some of them made money.