# Guns: Newsweek proposes a compromise **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 16, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345 "2015-07-16T18:10:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/61 "2015-07-17T19:07:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Gun control advocates would like all guns banned outright so yeah…settling for improved background checks while keeping gun ownership is a concession. > > This isn’t rocket science. Everyone here knows full well what a concession is and how it works in negotiations. Dancing around this is just smoke and mirrors. And yet here you are, acting like we have to negotiate. We don’t. You want something from us, either take it like you always have before or tell us what we get in return. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/62 "2015-07-17T19:08:46Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > And yet here you are, acting like we have to negotiate. We don’t. You want something from us, either take it like you always have before or tell us what we get in return. What would you like? ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/63 "2015-07-17T19:11:18Z")
Machine guns manufactured after 1986 have been absolutely banned, with some trivial exceptions for a handful of favored groups, like the film industry. Machine guns are probably not important to you, but plenty of gun owners would like to have them, and are prevented by government regulation. Background checks are not extreme, but they are part of a continual process wherein numerous small and reasonable regulatory burdens add to each other to create an unreasonable and extreme result. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/64 "2015-07-17T19:18:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What would you like? How about this. > [@Bone](#): > > I would compromise if in return there was a constitutional amendment making gun ownership, posssession, and carry a suspect class subject to strict scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/65 "2015-07-17T19:20:57Z")
People believe that it they make laws about something they are “dealing with the problem”. So they make evil looking guns illegal. But next year, they will want to deal with the problem again, and decide that certain size magazines are evil, and they should make a law. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/66 "2015-07-17T19:24:51Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > Machine guns manufactured after 1986 have been absolutely banned, with some trivial exceptions for a handful of favored groups, like the film industry. Machine guns are probably not important to you, but plenty of gun owners would like to have them, and are prevented by government regulation. I didn’t know you meant machine guns when you said that these federal laws had banned “short barrel shotguns, automatic firearms, and suppressors”, but that was probably due to my ignorance about guns. I can see now how automatic firearms could have been a reference to machine guns. I’m curious, though. Do you feel the same frustration with your inability to buy a grenade launcher? Surface to air missile? What about a nuclear warhead? Do you draw any lines on the use of weapons by civilians? If so, where? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/67 "2015-07-17T19:26:08Z")
Let’s see. I am not a celebrity or independently wealthy so I in CA am prohibited from: [ul] [li]Carrying a concealed firearm out of my house on my person[/li][li]Purchasing a machine gun[/li][li]Purchasing a short barreled rifle[/li][li]Purchasing a magazine with a capacity to hold more than 10 rounds[/li][li]In certain locations, purchasing ammunition through the internet[/li][li]Purchasing a suppresor[/li][li]Having a detachable magazine of any size from a centerfire rifle if it has 2 or more cosmetic features that are considered bad[/li][li]Purchasing more than 1 handgun from a firearms dealer in a 30 day period[/li][li]If I own a gun store, advertise that I sell handguns with an image of a handgun[/li][li]Purchase a two toned version of a pistol that has been approved for purchase in another color[/li][li]Purchase a newly manufactured pistol that the state hasn’t deemed is “not unsafe”[/li][li]Purchase a newly manufactured pistol that does not have some non-existent technology[/li][li]purchase a .50 caliber rifle[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/68 "2015-07-17T19:30:21Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Gun control advocates would like all guns banned outright so yeah…settling for improved background checks while keeping gun ownership is a concession. > > This isn’t rocket science. Everyone here knows full well what a concession is and how it works in negotiations. Dancing around this is just smoke and mirrors. Apparently, you don’t know what a concession is. Keeping gun ownership (gee thanks!) is not a concession - it is the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/69 "2015-07-17T19:34:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He also fails to define his limit for “high capacity” magazines. He mentions 100-round drums at first, and then later 30-round magazines. Where would you put the limit? 20? 15? 10? 7? 6? One other thing I forgot to mention. This notion of “high capacity” magazines. That’s a scare label just like “Assualt Weapons” were in 1994. It’s meaningless. Over time, many people came to realize that the term “assualt weapon” was used to mislead people into supporting a ban on cosmetic features. The term “high capacity” is of the same vein. They are simply, magazines. If anything, standard capacity magazines. The standard capacity magazine for an AR-15 rifle can contain 30 rounds. I know you know this already, but the term just bugs. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/70 "2015-07-17T19:36:46Z")
‘Reasonable restrictions’ ended up as confiscation here. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/71 "2015-07-17T19:41:46Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > We’ve been compromising on our gun rights for centuries. Every time, we ‘split the difference’ and institute more gun control, and then progressives return a few years later to repeat the process. No, you hoplophobic gun grabbing liberal, you cannot take any more of our rights. > > The author of this article can enjoy getting forced by comrade Stalin into the gulags after he disarms the populace and some other lefty figures out that rent-seeking journalists at failed media publications like The Daily Beast are the real bourgeoisie. I, like the rest of right-wing America, will continue to stockpile ammunition and firearms. Don’t like it? Molon Labe. To this, with which I heartily agree, I would like to add: [“Get your hands off of my cake!”](http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Illustrated-Guide-To-Gun-Control.png) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/72 "2015-07-17T19:42:16Z")
> [@Mk\_VII](#): > > ‘Reasonable restrictions’ ended up as confiscation here. You guys did much of the work in winning two world wars, and you can’t shoot a guy who breaks into your house with the intent of doing you physical harm. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/73 "2015-07-17T19:44:22Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > And yet here you are, acting like we have to negotiate. We don’t. You want something from us, either take it like you always have before or tell us what we get in return. As of today you are right. The courts are on your side. But things change. Maybe this will too (although I probably won’t live to see it). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/74 "2015-07-17T19:48:33Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I didn’t know you meant machine guns when you said that these federal laws had banned “short barrel shotguns, automatic firearms, and suppressors”, but that was probably due to my ignorance about guns. I can see now how automatic firearms could have been a reference to machine guns. > > I’m curious, though. Do you feel the same frustration with your inability to buy a grenade launcher? Surface to air missile? What about a nuclear warhead? Do you draw any lines on the use of weapons by civilians? If so, where? “Machine guns” _ARE_ “automatic firearms” ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/75 "2015-07-17T19:54:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “Machine guns” _ARE_ “automatic firearms” Which I conceded (even being charitable enough to chalk it up to my own ignorance). Now, since you are inclined to read my post, please answer my question: Do you feel the same frustration with your inability to buy a grenade launcher? Surface to air missile? What about a nuclear warhead? Do you draw any lines on the use of weapons by civilians? If so, where? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/76 "2015-07-17T20:20:22Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Which I conceded (even being charitable enough to chalk it up to my own ignorance). > > Now, since you are inclined to read my post, please answer my question: > Do you feel the same frustration with your inability to buy a grenade launcher? Surface to air missile? What about a nuclear warhead? Do you draw any lines on the use of weapons by civilians? If so, where? Sorry, wrote a long post and hit the “Refresh” button on accident and deleted it. I think the SBR/SBS and suppressor restrictions contained in the NFA should go away. They’re stupid and illogical. I think full-autos should be legal to own in the same way that semi-autos are, but I’d be willing (here’s a line I am willing to accept) to do all the NFA paperwork and deal with the associated delays and pay the additional fee if it meant I could have full-auto version of modern sporting rifles. The 1986 machine gun ban should go away and the NFA registry should be re-opened. The NFA has provisions for handling “destructive devices”, and I think those are working just fine (there’s another line I can live with). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/77 "2015-07-17T21:33:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think full-autos should be legal to own in the same way that semi-autos are, As anyone heard of lawmakers planning to ban semi auto rifles? Those little Marlins kids plink with. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/78 "2015-07-17T21:39:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > As anyone heard of lawmakers planning to ban semi auto rifles? Those little Marlins kids plink with. Yeah, pretty much every AWB ever proposed has been to ban semi-auto rifles (and in some cases handguns and shotguns) - AWB = “assault weapon” ban ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/79 "2015-07-17T21:40:29Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > The Pro-Gun side doesn’t have to negotiate, they have culture and the 2nd Amendment on their side. So why surrender some of what they have now, what’s the benefit to them? Uh, how about slowing down the constant gun violence? you do realize this country has a serious gun problem right? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/80 "2015-07-17T21:44:20Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Gun banners like me know that momentum is not on our side and would accept a lopsided deal to look like something’s being done… Which makes you as bad as the idiots who support the TSA. When you are willing to sacrifice people’s freedoms not to do something worthwhile but just to _pretend_ you’re doing something worthwhile, that’s nothing more than security theater. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345.md?page=5)