# Guns: Newsweek proposes a compromise **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 16, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345 "2015-07-16T18:10:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 104
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345/104 "2015-07-18T03:06:16Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Bone, that is fantastic, a 2008 court ruling. Have anything regarding intent by the people alive when the second amendment was written. And bonus points, actually voted for it. My research hasn’t uncovered anything that meets your specific critiera. Do you have a counter example? For me, the current jurisprudence realted to this issue is sufficient. I appreciate the anti-tyranny and defending against foreign invaders angles, but my primary interest lays in self defense. I introduce the cite to illustrate the issue is resolved in the modern sense. Feel free to provide modern or contemporary evidence to the contrary. * * * > [@Claverhouse](#): > > I generally support all American gun freedoms, and in any case believe any hope of control is futile; however I should warn Americans visiting Britain — and most of the world — that they will not be defended in libraries by guardians with guns. [I’m told that the only legal self defense product in Britain is a rape alarm.](https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm)And no product may be made or adapted to cause a person injury. Go go badguys in Britain! * * * > [@Czarcasm](#): > > The topic of the post was gun _violence_, and you moved the goalposts to strictly limit it to gun _homicides_. What about intentional shootings that did not result in death, accidental shootings that resulted in death, accidental shootings that did not result in death, and suicides? When all those are included, has gun _violence_ increased or decreased? I’m going to guess that you didn’t read the link. I didn’t quote it so no big deal. > [@](#): > > National rates of gun homicide and other violent gun crimes are strikingly lower now than during their peak in the mid-1990s, **paralleling a general decline in violent crime,** according to a Pew Research Center analysis of government data. > > … > > The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades. (my bold) But it’s not like you’re grasping at any item that may bolster your position. I mean, I would expect you’d engage in some level of effort to deduce this on your own. It’s not like we’ve discussed this issue before… > [@Another deadly shooting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-deadly-shooting/690488/28): > > The _whole_ truth would make a more valid point, I think. Starting from 30 years ago gun _homicides_ did indeed drop at a steady rate…until about the year 2000. From 2000 until today they have pretty much plateaued, leaving one to wonder why the gun homicide rate suddenly stopped moving downward. And you may have missed me [posting this same study in that same thread -](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17473139&postcount=136) I mean, you didn’t post in it afterwards so that’s possible. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thanks-That seems to cover a bit more, but I can’t open those files at work. Could someone have a look and see if it covers accidents and suicides? But it seems like you already received the answer back in 2014 to part of the question you are asking: > [@Another deadly shooting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-deadly-shooting/690488/64): > > If gun deaths have plateaued from 2000 until now, and gun homicides have gone down from 2000 until now, how can gun accidents have also gone down automatically from 2000 until now? What category of gun death am I missing here has gone up to balance the other two categories going down? > > 1. Death by accident > 2. Death on purpose > 3. ??? > [@Another deadly shooting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-deadly-shooting/690488/68): > > > [@Another deadly shooting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/another-deadly-shooting/690488/67): > > > > Upon review, firearm suicides have increased more than homicides have declined. > > That’s not to the good, then. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guns-newsweek-proposes-a-compromise/725345)._