Well that’s interesting. I thought all guns had to registered. If they aren’t registered, what happens if they are stolen? How would we know where the criminal got the gun from? Or who to return it to if the criminal were caught? Hmmm. Seems to me that mandatory registration of all guns might be a good first step along the road to eventually banning ownership of all guns.
And before the chorus here pipes in about refusing to do so and you can’t make me, nah, nah, nah - the penalty for not registering your guns and getting caught would be a $10,000 fine per gun.
QUOTE=enipla]iamme99 - You stated earlier that you had hoped that perhaps a lurker, that is on the fence may have had an opinion changed. I have been lurking and some of the things that you have said has changed my opinion. At least about the gun-control crowd.
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Wow. Just wow. I can’t wait to apply your logic to other things that are currently illegal. Should we kill everyone currently in possession of illegal drugs? Take out innocent bystanders while we bring down the dangerous teenager downloading music off Kazaa? Use a combination of mandatory GPS systems and satellite-based lasers to fry anyone from orbit for speeding?
Other countries already don’t like that America uses capital punishment. I guarantee that the government required, not to mention the actions needed, to pull off this asinine idea would be enough to get sanctions imposed. Of course, by this time it won’t matter as you’ll have basically turned the government into a fascist dictatorship.
And get your military weaponry right. A C-130 is a cargo plane. You’d be wanting an AC-130 or an A-10.
BEWARE
The (appelation undecided) who started this thread, known as iamme99, has consistantly shown that he, she or it (hereinafter referred to as “it” to avoid gender inequities), operates totally out of illogic.
DO NOT attempt to use logic with this poster; it refuses to listen to or answer logical, rational posts, questions or statements, and reserves itself to answering only those items which it can use to try to support its (sometimes self-referred to as “we.”) personal propaganda.
It, or they, will back off of arguments if you are right, but will not acknowledge them. It also will refuse to retract statements which have been proven to be false, misrepresented or lies.
The other “we,” The People, recognize its right to have a thread all to itself and even to emotionally (or physically) masturbate while being castigated if that’s what it takes to get it its jollies and keep it off the streets and out of politics. Freedom of screech, and all that…
If you wish to post to this thread, it is best that you know this in advance. If you don’t believe the author of this post, start at post # 1 and read for yourself. If it turns out that I’m wrong, report me to Cecil.
It is only fair that you know what you are getting into by posting here. Those of us who CHOOSE to continue posting here are mostly doing so cause we like to see it make a fool of itself.
Nope, they don’t. My GUESS is that the majority of guns are not registered.
So not knowing anything about what you are ‘debating’ about results in a <shrug> from you? I learn more and more about the anti-gun folks every time I open up one of these threads.
Most don’t have to be. Your garden-variety rifle and shotgun doesn’t need registering. Handguns do, and other things like so-called “assault rifles” and fully-automatic weapons do as well. Not to mention a ton more paperwork and fees, especially for full-auto.
A-HA!! I’ve figured it out! Iamme99 is really against gun control. He has to be. No person in favor of gun control could possibly be that abrasive, offensive and inept at presenting a cogent case for his side. He is just trying to make the gun-grabbers look totally deranged, so no-one will listen to them! This tactic has already worked on enipla.
Smart gun owners do things like maintain a list of firearms and their serial numbers, and if possible the original purchase receipt.
When a friend’s home was burglarized, and his gun safe broken into, he recovered two of his rifles with the help of police when he was able to rattle off the serial numbers of the two rifles in question without ever getting within five feet of them.
As for your other statement about my ‘ideals’, if you are willing to pass a law in direct violation of the Constitution in order to attempt to illegally usurp one of my rights and then show up at my house with a swat team, I will do my duty as a citizen to protect and defend the Constitution.
I don’t understand. If the law I propose were passed, then it would supersede what was in the Constitution. Therefore, it would not be a “direct violation of the Constitution”. You would not be “defending” anything at that point, only committing a now illegal activity.
All bogus analogies and examples of the lengths of hyperbole that you gun supporters are willing to go to in an attempt to justify a real need for your guns.
As I said previously, much of the rest of the world doesn’t like our venture into Iraq or Bush’s desire to be a nation builder, to bring “democracy” to the rest of the heathens. We don’t seem to really care what the rest of the world thinks. And who exactly is going to try to impose sanctions against the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Should we care?
I speak and represent only myself. You would be making a mistake by grouping other people in with my views who have not posted here. OTOH, I have seen enough garbage posts, spurious statements, meaningless examples, statements twisted and quoted out of context and attempts to introduce tangential BS from the many gun supporters who have popped in to here to say their piece, that I believe I would have a better shot at categorizing those I have heard form here as people that really should have their weapons taken away from them (and maybe a straitjacket thrown in for their own protection).
Fortunately, he’s not. iamme99 is on the on the far edge of the even the most outrageous extremists, the lunatic fringe. He’s so far beyond what even the extremists espouse, that I am really having a hard time believing he’s serious about any of this. I mean hangings & public beheadings? These are not the ideas of a rational man.
And I’m done here. You cannot argue rationally with the irrational. It’s a futile exercise and I have far better things to do with my time.
Then you, yourself, have shown that you do not understand, and/or have little knowledge of,
Constitutional law
Gun Control laws
Gun safety
Military equipment
Property law
Martial arts
Rhetoric
Logic
Search and seizure
Use of force
Politics
Polite discourse.
I’m still waiting for your answer to my questions.
What are you? 18, 19 years old? First year college? Still living with your folks? I’m not being dismissive. We’ve all been there in one way or another. You seem to be a person who cares passionately about what he/she believes is right but has yet to have some real-world experience to mature those passions and temper that resolve. Merely being snarky on a message board and enjoying your little sparring match with other posters won’t score any points past the keyboard. No one will care if on your resume’ it mentions how you went on and on on the SDMB about gun control.
You don’t seem to hear what everyone else is saying to you and you seem to think that you are having an effect when you are not.
Please try and read a question, then answer, directly, the question asked. Use of a quote box is helpful. Rudeness bodes ill.
This is only partially true; it depends upon the state, and in some instances, the city, in which you live. There is currently a law on the books that prohibits the BATF, a federal agency, from maintaning a permanent registry of firearms of any type - except, of course, the full-auto ones. (The permanent registry of those is mandated by the Gun Control Act of 1934.) As I said earlier, there is no requirement at the state level in Ohio that guns of any sort be registered (except full-autos ones to comply with GCA 1934). There are, however, a small handful of cities which require that you register your handguns - mine (Sylvania) does not. Also some cities (such as Toledo) in Ohio, rather than mandate registration of each individual handgun, simply require handgun owners to be issued a handgun owner’s identification card. I’m not quite sure how that works since I’ve never lived in a city where it has been required.
The NRA website has a pretty good synopsis of state (and some large city) firearms laws. www.nraila.org
Other jurisdictions have other requirements which vary widely.
There is no such thing as a law in the United States that can ‘supersede’ the Constitution.
All laws are subject to Constitutional review, and must be in line with the Constitution in order to remain on the books as valid.
In my state (Pennsylvania) we do not have to register long guns, but handguns are registered at time of purchase in Harrisburg. Also, in Pennsylvania, your License to Carry Concealed Firearms does not need to bear the serial numbers of specific guns you may carry - it applies to any legally owned, registered handgun you are authorized to be in the possession of, making it legal for me to carry my father’s 9mm pistol if for some reason mine is out at the gunsmith’s.
If my house is broken into, and my books, Computer or TV is stolen, I call the cops. Then I call my friends who deal with fences, and have them keep an eye out for my property.
If I were lucky enough to live in a state that didn’t require gun registration, I would do the same thing. The cops are there (despite your thought that they are there to shoot anyone breaking a law you support…) to help me find my stolen stuff, and bust the guy that did it so he won’t steal anyone elses stuff. Hopefully they will recover my weapon.
Just out of curiosity, what is your proposed plan for criminals that are found with weapons? Known criminals on parole that are found with illegal, unregistered firearms? Gonna kill them too?
The big problem here is that the VAST MAJORITY of gun owners are law abiding people, and while a lot of guns on the street are stolen, most of them have been reported so. No reason not too. But a lot of the big guns (fully automatic weapons, etc.) that are out on the streets have been smuggled into the country (China was a big source for these guns, back in the 80’s and 90’s). Outlawing guns won’t stop that from happening.
All you intend to do is create a new criminal class, and not do anything to stop the actual criminals from continuing to get illegal firearms.
And the new Ohio CCW law says much the same thing as yours. A license holder may carry any gun, or more than one. I know some states make you qualify with the one you’re gonna carry and record the indentifying information on your license. I used my big ol’ .22 target pistol for the qualification exam.
I only get snarky in return to others acting the same way. Time and again here, all I’ve seen are poorly made analogies, hyperbole to the extreme and many, many personal attacks by apparently rabid gun owners. I’ve answered all REASONABLE (and actually some unreasonable) questions that have been presented. Unfortunately, you and others don’t like the answers. There’s nothing I can do about that. And I have no intention of changing how I do anything. If you don’t like it, all I can say is - go away.
Sigh, meaningless nit picking does nothing to advance the discussion. Let me spell it out for you. My proposed law would INVALIDATE the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution as presently written. I assume this means that Congress would have to initiate the action to remove the 2nd Amendment and then 39 states would have to ratify the action. Is this likely in today’s political environment? No. Will it be possible in the future. One can only hope so.
You never responded to your statement to the effect that gun owners were ridiculous to believe the US could be attacked when IN FACT, it was attacked on 9-11, and that the effect of that attack could have been minimized by gun owners.
There were several OTHER reasonable questions that proved you and your rantings wrong, improbable, impossible and imbicilic which you did not answer and which I will leave to those authors to follow up.
There were other reasonable questions or statements of mine that you didn’t answer, but I’ll take them one at a time.
Either you are lying, or your straitjacket is a bit too tight around the ears.
Or perhaps you just don’t hear anything that’s rational? Perhaps you have another explanation?
