# Guys I need advice (Again) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 31, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278 "2015-05-31T19:07:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/1 "2015-05-31T19:07:58Z")
I got offered a job in my old city my friend arranged the interview, and I would he would be my boss, it’s 200 miles away, and offers seventeen grand a year, my existing job offers £14880, but the cost of living is lower. I did some math, and this is what I came up with. Town I currently live in Council Tax = £906.37 per annum Rent = £412 Wages = £1060 per month (After Tax) Wages per annum = £14480 (Before Tax) Wages per annum = £11584 (After Tax) Stock option per year (sold) = £800 Wages per annum + Stock option = £12384 Rent per annum = (£4944) Remainder = (£6533.63) City I was offered job Council Tax = £921.47 per annum Rent (City Average) = £596 Wages = £1133 per month (After Tax) Wages per annum = £17000 (Before Tax) Wages per annum = £13600 (After Tax) Rent per annum = (£7152) Remainder = (£5526.53) Difference £1007.10 in favour of the town I live in. The job I was offered is just a cold calling job, the current job I have is in a warehouse, I’m tempted to go to the city job, but is it better to stay put? I got offered a college place, which my company will pay for, in September. I need opinions (And as to whether the Math is correct :P) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/2 "2015-05-31T19:46:14Z")
Also consider into the cost of taking the new job: how much will it cost you to move to the new town? Truck rental, lost work, startup fees for phone, internet, utilities… Also, if you move back to your old haunt, would you be going out to more of the places you’ve missed, and would that cost more than what you’re spending now? The entertainment options of the city (sounds like you’re not in a large city now?) are probably greater, more varied, and likely to be a bit of a money sink. Unless you hate working in the warehouse or you’ve been looking forward to a move/change/cold calling job, this new job doesn’t look awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/3 "2015-05-31T19:48:18Z")
Don’t undervalue the company-paid college. That could open the door to bigger and better things down the line, and is worth sacrificing other things for in the short term. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/4 "2015-05-31T19:48:56Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Also consider into the cost of taking the new job: how much will it cost you to move to the new town? Truck rental, lost work, startup fees for phone, internet, utilities… Also, if you move back to your old haunt, would you be going out to more of the places you’ve missed, and would that cost more than what you’re spending now? The entertainment options of the city (sounds like you’re not in a large city now?) are probably greater, more varied, and likely to be a bit of a money sink. > > Unless you hate working in the warehouse or you’ve been looking forward to a move/change/cold calling job, this new job doesn’t look awesome. I would have to move in two weeks, to be honest I don’t go out much. But thanks, It seems bizarre that I would end up losing more money if I changed to a higher paying job. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it, the only thing that bugged me is that someone said living in a small town is like being in a rut, and that I should go to the city because that’s ‘Where everything is happening’ But I was of the opinion that’s only true if you’ve got a substantial amount of money, or well paying job. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/5 "2015-05-31T19:52:13Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > The job I was offered is just a cold calling job, the current job I have is in a warehouse Cold calling? As in… calling up random people and trying to sell them stuff? If so, it sounds like a miserable, life-sucking, dead-end, and potentially stressful job. I would _much_ rather do warehouse work. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/6 "2015-05-31T20:05:46Z")
If you are good at talking to people and are a convincing conversationalist you can make far more in a real estate or related sales position than the amount you are being quoted for cold calling and they require similar skill sets. Also if you are not good at cold calling you will be fired fairly quickly and you are then jobless in your new environment. Cold calling jobs are difficult, hard to fill, marginally paid unless you are awesome a cold calling and are at the very bottom of the barrel of any kind of telemarketing I really don’t think your friend is doing you any big favor by hooking you up with this. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/7 "2015-05-31T20:11:28Z")
> [@astro](#): > > If you are good at talking to people and are a convincing conversationalist you can make far more in a real estate or related sales position than the amount you are being quoted for cold calling and they require similar skill sets. Also if you are not good at cold calling you will be fired fairly quickly and you are then jobless in your new environment. > > Cold calling jobs are difficult, hard to fill, marginally paid unless you are awesome a cold calling and are at the very bottom of the barrel of any kind of telemarketing I really don’t think your friend is doing you any big favor by hooking you up with this. I might as well add this is a salaried position, there would be no bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/8 "2015-05-31T20:24:02Z")
In the United States cold calling jobs are typically high pressure sales jobs in cramped environments with rigid rules about how often you can go to the bathroom, take breaks etc. You also have fairly inflexible production targets you have to hit within a fairly short time after coming on board. Inbound telemarketing where you are helping people with technical issues or taking orders or similar tasks is a somewhat different kettle of fish. In the US cold calling jobs normally have a small base salary with bonuses for production and if you do not hit those production targets in fairly short order you are shown the door. This is a usually the kind of job where 99 percent of the people you call have absolutely no interest in talking to you and are often aggressive in expressing that opinion. Unless you have an iron clad ego your soul can take a huge beating in these type of tasks. You had better make sure that you are up to taking verbal abuse daily and continuously and maintaining an even keel before signing on for a cold calling job. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/9 "2015-06-01T00:31:32Z")
Does this “cold calling” involve calling strangers with no connection to either you or the company and trying to get money out of them in exchange for some product or service? That is what the US calls “cold calling” (no further description). In the US, it is usually a commission-paid job. I’m guessing there is a difference between what you are saying and what the 'murkins are hearing. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/10 "2015-06-01T00:44:43Z")
“Cold calling” appears to have essentially the same definition throughout the English speaking world. > **[Cold calling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_calling)** > > Cold calling is the solicitation of business from potential customers who have had no prior contact with the salesperson conducting the call. It is an attempt to convince potential customers to purchase the salesperson's product or service. Generally, it is an over-the-phone process, making it a form of telemarketing, but can also be done in-person by door-to-door salespeople. Though cold calling can be used as a legitimate business tool, scammers can use cold calling as well. > Cold calling has... > [@](#): > > Cold calling is defined as the solicitation of business from potential customers[1] who have had no prior contact with the salesperson conducting the call, therefore making the call cold.[2] Cold calling is used to attempt to convince potential customers to purchase either the salesperson’s product or service. Cold calling is generally referred to as an over-the-phone process, making it a source of telemarketing, but can also be done in-person by door-to-door salespeople. Though cold calling can be used as a legitimate business tool, scammers can use cold calling as well. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/11 "2015-06-01T01:41:12Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Don’t undervalue the company-paid college. That could open the door to bigger and better things down the line, and is worth sacrificing other things for in the short term. This. You listen to ol’ Uncle JC, lad. Stay put, get the education and THEN make moves. Don’t make the move away from your future. Colding calling or warehouse work isn’t your last job. The one you study for just might be. ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/12 "2015-06-01T02:34:37Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Cold calling? As in… calling up random people and trying to sell them stuff? > > If so, it sounds like a miserable, life-sucking, dead-end, and potentially stressful job. > > I would _much_ rather do warehouse work. QFT Keep the warehouse job and take the schooling. I wouldn’t take the cold calling if it paid a million a year. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/13 "2015-06-01T07:59:47Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > The job I was offered is just a cold calling job, the current job I have is in a warehouse, I’m tempted to go to the city job, but is it better to stay put? I got offered a college place, which my company will pay for, in September. I need opinions (And as to whether the Math is correct :P) The big problem with your figures is that you’re comparing a specific rent with an average rent. The big problem with the new job is that your current job is offering you college funding. So thank your friend for the opportunity but politely decline. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/14 "2015-06-01T13:36:45Z")
Stay. Definitely stay. Must add, I always find it weird that anyone (with a job) in the UK would ever feel stuck in a small town - there’s no small town that isn’t what the rest of us would consider a short train ride away from a decent city. ---
**Author:** ![Ispolkom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47774/32.png) [@Ispolkom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ispolkom)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/15 "2015-06-02T03:18:22Z")
> [@SeaDragonTattoo](#): > > QFT > > Keep the warehouse job and take the schooling. > > I wouldn’t take the cold calling if it paid a million a year. Lord have mercy, cold calling was the only job I ever just walked out of. Don’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/16 "2015-06-03T14:04:14Z")
I’ve had some awful, awful jobs. Cold calling is the only one I wouldn’t go back to even if it meant losing our house (I spent one summer during college selling AT&T long distance phone service.) ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/17 "2015-06-03T14:14:21Z")
I spent two months cold calling selling magazines and later, fundraising for my university alumni association when I was 18. Never, ever, ever again. Part of my soul shriveled up after having to call a nun that graduated in 1938 and have the temerity to ask for a donation, and having her donate $20. I quit and joined the military shortly after that. Stay, get an education and stick with the warehousing. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/guys-i-need-advice-again/721278/18 "2015-06-03T15:33:23Z")
DO NOT cold call. Miserable job.