# GWB:Lying sack of shit, or deranged and brain damaged.? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2004, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711 "2004-04-13T02:14:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/1 "2004-04-13T02:14:50Z")
Watching Bush & co. spin and twist and deny, I am seized with the fear that, at least for dub, the denial may be rooted in more than mere political expediency. What if he really believes everything he says? Wouldn’t that make him clinically nuts? (Hears from god, etc.) If he is crazy (as opposed to merely venal and weakminded) aren’t we in very deep shit? NOTA BENE the unspoken major premise:the world dub describes does not exist in reality. If you think that it does, don’t bother to post a comment. ---
**Author:** ![Karmagun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Karmagun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karmagun)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/2 "2004-04-13T02:23:09Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#): > > GWB:Lying sack of shit, or deranged and brain damaged.? Possibly both. Looks like this is heading for the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/3 "2004-04-13T02:24:20Z")
The more I watch the guy, the more he reminds me of every corporate exec I’ve ever known. He’s not crazy, nor is he stupid. He is simply very focused. He wants what he wants. He doesn’t want to hear what he doesn’t wanna hear. He is not particularly concerned with society or the American people; he’s interested in the people to whom he feels responsible (CEO: stockholders. Politician: the special interests and contributors who put him in office). Bush’s problem is that he’s a businessman who, for some insane reason, wanted to play politician. He wanted to run The Big Electric Train Set. Even in America in the year 2004, the two things are NOT the same. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/4 "2004-04-13T02:27:10Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] Too much flame, not enough debate. To the Pit. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Karmagun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Karmagun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karmagun)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/5 "2004-04-13T02:35:21Z")
> [@](#): > > the world dub describes does not exist in reality. If you think that it does, don’t bother to post a comment. > [@](#): > > Too much flame, not enough debate. To the Pit. Debate? > [@](#): > > Looks like this is heading for the pit. 4 minutes. Do I get a prize? ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/6 "2004-04-13T02:35:28Z")
But isn’t there a good chance the people - who you can apparently fool only some of the time - will re-elect the whole crowd ? Maybe in the second term ya’ll can think up a neater name for the dude, like that cool ‘Governator’ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/7 "2004-04-13T02:49:36Z")
I intend to fraudulently vote for Bush at least 50 times in Novermber to cancel out every naysayer in this thread. Because that’s the kind of guy I am. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/8 "2004-04-13T02:56:00Z")
It does the heart good to know that prattling fools like **alaricthegoth** are on the _other_ team. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/9 "2004-04-13T03:01:48Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > It does the heart good to know that prattling fools like **alaricthegoth** are on the _other_ team. Or does anyone else think Brutus calling someone a fool seems like the pot calling the kettle black? ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/10 "2004-04-13T03:08:26Z")
I sense three pages of \*pro forma \*handbag waving ahead ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/11 "2004-04-13T03:31:53Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > It does the heart good to know that prattling fools like **alaricthegoth** are on the _other_ team. It sure would, but once you scroll past the point where his name is visible, it gets hard to tell **Alaric’s** ravings from those of **humptyhamhole**. That leaves everyone with only cold comfort. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/12 "2004-04-13T03:54:16Z")
> [@](#): > > It does the heart good to know that prattling fools like alaricthegoth are on the other team. Our story so far: **alaricthegoth** says President Bush is a poopyhead. **Brutus** says that **alaricthegoth** is a poopyhead for calling Bush a poopyhead. Based on these statements, I’m leaning cautiously toward the position that not only Bush, but both **alaricthegoth** and **Brutus** , may indeed be poopyheads. I will reserve my final judgement until sometime during the fifth page, however. Just in case anyone’s having a bit of trouble following the many twists and turns of the debate. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/13 "2004-04-13T06:11:04Z")
The evidence for **Brutus** being a poopyhead is stronger than the evidence that Saddam had stockpiles of WMDs. 😉 And if anyone is polling the OP, I’ll vote for “GWB: Lying sack of shit.” I am convinced beyond a doubt that the guy _knows_ he’s lying, and does it anyway, because all he cares about is getting his way, integrity be damned. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/14 "2004-04-13T10:48:03Z")
I am inclined to believe that Bush is an alcoholic and has all the symptoms of that disease except the drinking, which I understand he claims he has stopped. That would explain an awful lot. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/15 "2004-04-13T11:53:26Z")
Unless I’m mistaken, I heard Bush yesterday on the tube saying that the situation in Iraq has improved. First, is there anyone, _anyone_, who would care to defend the truth of that statement?! I didn’t think so. Now, is he lying, or just hopelessly confused? Is there some third alternative? ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/16 "2004-04-13T11:58:34Z")
I’d vote for the third option - woefully misinformed. I don’t believe that it’s just that he doesn’t hear anything he doesn’t want to hear, I honestly believe that those who feed him his information don’t tell him anything they _know_ he doesn’t want to hear. Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know someone will), but hasn’t he made a remark at some point about not paying much attention to news? ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/17 "2004-04-13T11:58:48Z")
My memory serves me well: > [@](#): > > To questions about whether the security situation in Iraq was untenable, Bush replied, “The situation in Iraq has improved.” - from [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4723799/). ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/18 "2004-04-13T12:15:47Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > First, is there anyone, _anyone_, who would care to defend the truth of that statement?! I didn’t think so. Sure. I’ll step up to the plate. You’re assuming that there’s a single way of measuring “improvement”. Secondly, you’re assuming that there’s a single defined goal toward which the improvement is being measured. So, to give a couple of scenarios: a) There’s a shared goal, being, say, “liberate the Iraqi people”, but George measures performance by the relative body counts of US v Iraqis. George isn’t lying when he says things have improved. b) There’s no shared goal. Your goal is, say, “liberate the Iraqi people”, but George’s goal is actually “dominate Iraq”. George isn’t lying when he says things have improved. See how easy it is to prove that Bush doesn’t lie? ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/19 "2004-04-13T12:22:03Z")
Clearly, **Demostylus** , I need further lessons in Bushthink. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711/20 "2004-04-13T12:34:51Z")
> [@county](#): > > I am inclined to believe that Bush is an alcoholic and has all the symptoms of that disease except the drinking, which I understand he claims he has stopped. > > That would explain an awful lot. You’re not the only one. [Here’s](http://www.counterpunch.org/wormer1011.html) an article about just that thing. It was writen by Katherine Van Wormer, a professor of Social work, who works with alcoholics. [Here’s](http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020924Bisbort.html) one with a humorous photoshopped image. The accompanying article is not so light-hearted. Here’s one more: [Is Bush a “Dry Drunk”? This is a Serious, Not Just a Provocative Question](http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/10_drunk.html). Apparently a lot of drunks say that they are following God’s will. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gwb-lying-sack-of-shit-or-deranged-and-brain-damaged/239711.md?page=2)