How much do you want to nitpick this? Yes, there are free workshops all over the place on healthy eating. Cite, cite, cite.
Regards,
Shodan
Thank you. I was pointing out that the link **Bricker **posted didn’t answer the question that was asked. I don’t consider that nitpicking. I didn’t ask the original question, but I had no idea if courses were available to the people receiving SNAP. Now I do.
Actually, it wasn’t what was asked.
Broomstick’s oft-repeated modus operandi is to make a sweeping, definitive claim:
I asked her if this was hyperbole or a literal claim, because I’ve had interactions with her in which she defends, tooth and nail, the literal truth of a claim that at first blush appeared to be hyperbole.
Thanks.
My prediction now is that Broomstick will avoid the thread for a bit, and then pick up commentary without mentioning this discussion. What we won’t see from her, if prior behavior is a guide, is a forthright admission that yes, in fact, there are classes.
My guess is the response will be “Sure, but those classes are not in bum-fuck Indiana where I live, and they don’t schedule around the jobs that people have to miss in order to attend the class. Just GETTING to the class will be hard, what about people who have to take the bus? or pay for gas, mileage, wear and tear on their car. If government agencies don’t pay for a person to go to each benefit-receiving person’s house and conduct one-on-one training about smart, budget-conscious shopping and food preparation during hours that the person is available, then they are doing NOTHING to help the poor!”
My prediction is that you will continue to revel in your perceived victory of proving that, hey, hyperbole was hyperbole! What we won’t see from you is any discussion of the underlying point: that it is difficult for low-income people to get adequate education on cooking and eating healthy, whether due to lack of classes in their area, lack of time, lack of transportation, etc.
But good job on the classes thing. You totally pwn’d Broomstick.
I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss this. Broomstick asked a question and got the answer - she was wrong. Facts is facts. Her argument may still hold water, but it does no good to deny reality.
Thanks!
Yes it is, since it’s a stupid fucking hijack, having little to do with the Op. The thread is about **Gwyneth Paltrow’s Food Stamp Diet ** not obsessively trying to prove someone is wrong.
In what way does “here are a bunch of free classes” fail to address how low-income people can’t learn how to budget and shop healthy?
Or are you doing what manson1972 said would happen?
The “underlying point” has been beaten into a pulp - it is not hard to obtain enough healthy food on $29 a week, Gwineth Paltrow does not grasp the concept of "“budgets”, and there are lots of opportunities to learn how to do it if you haven’t got the idea.
Regards,
Shodan
I like you!
I guessed correctly.
I disagree with the bolded part. A well-off conservative telling me how the poor are just stupid and/or lazy if they don’t know how to cook healthy doesn’t go far toward convincing me. How many classes are available each week in a typical city? If there are plenty, what are the reasons people aren’t taking advantage of them? That’s the kind of information that is useful, not a link showing “here’s an example of a class, neener neener you were wrong.”
From the links you provided, I now know that there were a couple workshops in 2009 in Western Illinois, one in January 2014 about mindless eating, and ongoing classes available in San Diego. That’s a useful start to the conversation. But they’re useless as a definitive statement that everyone has access to classes and no good reason to not attend, and they’re stupid if the point is just to prove someone wrong.
It’s not that hard to guess when it’s a valid question that is pertinent to the discussion.
Think one really awesome vegetarian meal for a family. Not a week’s worth of meals with the occasional flesh protein.
Boy, did you ever.
Regards,
Shodan
Obviously the government isn’t offering her enough free classes.
Regards,
Shodan
My take:
This has fuck-all to do with shopping list and lime and avocados. This is a publicity stunt by a rich cunt to make herself look good about a cause she will never have to worry about.
And what I mean by that is twofold. First, She is rich and will never need food stamps. She can make herself look good by advocating the poor unwashed masses get more. Second, She ain’t gonna have to pick up the tab! I’m sure she has an army of accountants and tax lawyers making sure she pays as little as possible every April 15th. (I don’t know? Is this cunt a U.S. taxpayer?)
So who pays? People like me, and probably a lot of other Dopes. Shit, its the 17th and I still can’t sit down from the financial butt-fucking I got earlier this week.
Anyway, just my opinion.
That wasn’t my clearest sentence. I meant that the patrons of said Hispanic groceries that I regularly shop at don’t appear to have much money.
The places are definitely aimed at a lower-income crowd, with low-cost brands I’ve never heard of sometimes- English label and Mexican/Latin American ones. Some of the products are a tad on the sad side; one thing I saw was a Mexican style cream product; it was something like 1/2 cream, 1/2 vegetable fat & water, but it was the lowest priced item in that category on the shelf. Sometimes the packaging is different and less elaborate than what I’m used to- plastic bags of laundry detergent and sour cream are the two that immediately come to mind.
The stores themselves are really interesting from a business school grad’s perspective, in that they’re huge supermarkets just like regular ones, but aimed at a different clientele, so the product mix and placement is different enough to be interesting, so I’ve paid attention.
manson1972 has a point; there does have to be a point when the poor are held responsible for something. Not necessarily just for being poor, but there has to be some reasonable expectation of minimal motivation to attend some kind of class, or do something other than just be poor and expect someone else to make things better.
I guess I’ve lost track of what your point of contention is then. The “class” discussion started by someone stating there are NO classes provided to teach the poor how to shop and cook meals on a budget. This was readily disproven. So, after the point was disproven, I (and some others) guessed that the argument would change to “not enough classes that are convenient for everyone that needs them” which, of course, it has.
So, what do you want to happen? More classes? How many should there be? Increase the SNAP benefit? By how much should it be increased?
Surprisingly, I’m in favor of the SNAP program and do NOT want to see it cut, nor do I think charging people bank and ATM fees to withdraw the money is the right thing to do, and there should be classes to help people maximize their benefits, and these classes SHOULD be paid by the local and/or state governments.
However, I can see where people need to spend at least a MINIMUM amount of energy in order to maximize their use of these benefits. Is it hard to attend a class if you are working 2 jobs with 2 kids at home? Sure is! Guess what? Everything that leads to a better life is harder than sitting around and complaining about it.
As for you, Troutman, maybe YOU could start a door-to-door budgeting/cooking class that educates those who need it, instead of just complaining on the Internet that no classes like that exist.