That’s ok, threemae - you are entitled to your foolish judgements.
By the way, stormtrax, it’ll be nice if you can find a shread of decency and admit you’re wrong about immigrants not paying taxes. Saying it’s “entirely plausible” doesn’t count.
And thanks, threemae.
It would be nice indeed, Mr. Bill H, but you don’t deserve it. You were wrong about the deal with the title of the thread and didn’t admit that you were wrong, so why shouldn’t I follow your stellar example?
In a nutshell, I don’t like you or your type. I think you’re a pretty bad excuse for a human being who makes me feel torn between doing what is right and keeping republicans in power or doing what is wrong and putting in the democrats so people like you get taken to the cleaners by the IRS. So put that in your Lexus and smoke it.
To (almost) everybody else, I admit that at times I trust my sources too much and can get facts wrong.
To Bill H, I offer my sincerest :Þ - and I ask that you consult a dictionary. “Immigrant” contains within the definition (http://www.m-w.com - try it sometime) an annoying bit about permanent residency whereas the H1B visas are, by definition temporary - and I’ve never questioned whether or not PERMANENT aliens were taxed, just the temporary ones. (Why didn’t Mr. “I created hundreds of jobs” understand this simple bit? He seems to be familiar with the term “idiot”… perhaps that would be aptly applied?)
Oh… and by the way… some TEMPORARY aliens are -not- taxed. Read up on tax treaties sometime. Admittedly they generally will not apply to H1Bers, but your blanket implication that ALL aliens pay taxes is flatly wrong.
I said it once, I’ll say it again… :Þ
stormtrax, first you make several unfound (aggressively-worded) charges about some honest hardworking people. Then, when Spiritus Mundi corrects you, you don’t retract your charge, but rather blame one of the people you’ve maligned, claiming that your lying is their fault because of some statement you mis-interpreted. Then when I call you on it, you claim you “trust your sources too much”. You’re such a saint. Finally, you try to slither out of things by virtue of some irrelevant technicality (Bill, you said ‘immigrant’, which doesn’t necessarily equate to H1B). My phrasing doesn’t change the fact that your statements about H1B holders were lies. That makes you a liar. And your absolute refusal to admit you’re wrong makes you entirely classless.
did you happen to look into relocating US citizens? Having spent 10 of the last 21 months unemployed and desparetly searching for work, I have seen the ugly side of job hunting for geeks. I was never contacted about possibly relocating to another part of the US even though my profiles on job boards stated that I was willing. Wouldn’t you rather fill a position with an American rather than a foreign national if they had similar qualifications?
As to waterj2’s question of why a US authorized (doesn’t need to be us born) worker should have more of a right to a job than an H1B applicant, if nothing else than due process. The intent of the H1B is if the company CAN’T find a qualified US autorized worker, the employer may look to other countries w/o regard to immigration quotas. My personal beef is that too many companies neglect their duty to seek out qualified applicant in the US. I do not doubt that they look within their local area, it’s gotta be a helluva lot cheaper than starting up the whole visa process, but wouldn’t it be cheaper to relocate someone from NJ to Alabama rather than Kazakhstan to Alabama?
All this being said I do not know of any positions that were filled by an H1B rather than me.
Bill, I’m growing tired of your refusal to open your eyes and -read-. Until you get a clue I’m not going to bother reading or replying to anything you have to say.
stormtrax wrote
You’re breaking my heart.
It doesn’t matter if you close your ears; your mind has been closed from the beginning.
And I know you read this.
I found a link to where the quotes of Congressional testimony came from:
http://techlawjournal.com/employ/19990506.htm
The donut shop example seems pretty irrelevant, because it seems that no H1B visa was granted in that case.
Going way back to this claim:
You then backed this claim up by saying:
100,000 or so cap + 20,000 extras is nowhere near a quarter million. And this was only once, in 1998 and previous the cap was 65,000, and was not exceeded. While widely reported perhaps, not even the 20,000 overage is not necessarily correct:
(From a letter to Janet Reno by Spence himself detailing many of the reasons he believed the INS count to be inflated)
Also, your comments about downsized military members is kind of strange, considering the fact that one of the biggest problems in the military is that they are having trouble keeping people.
I do not actively seek prospects (though I did post notice on an email string for Unix admins). I just do the final technical interview for folks who make it past the phone screen. I have had resumes cross my desk from out of state, though. In my company (and others that I have worked for) external postings generally get picked up by headhunters who search job boards, etc. I certainly do not actively search job boards for applicants, and I strongly doubt that any of our HR people do either.
Well, I relocated for this job, and I have had several offers to relocate since then (despite not actively looking for work) so somebody must be looking out of state for prospects. All of those contacts have come from headhunters, though. They are sharks, but they can be useful so long as you don’t confuse them with friends.
If you have Unix admin experience then send me an email.
No. If the qualifications were identical I would choose the candidate that whose personality I felt would blend best into our department. It makes absolutely no difference to me what his or her passport says.
What the fuck are you talking about? The per-country quotas that exist are for immigrant visas (i.e., green cards) There are none for temporary visas. So there’s no “established cuota” [sic] to go above and beyond.
capacitator:
Last time you said this, you were asked to provide evidence. We’re still waiting.
/slight hijack/ to clarify something
It was very possible to get screwed out of the GI Bill. Under the old VEAP plan, for every dollar you put in the gov’t would put in 2. However, the money you put in didn’t earn any interest and you could put money in whenever you wanted (up to $2100 IRRC).
The point of all of this is many people were counseled to put your money in something else & transfer it to VEAP before seperation/retirement. When they came out with the new GI bill, it didn’t apply to people under VEAP. Then, a few years back they allowed people with VEAP to transfer it to the new GI bill, but ** only if you had a balance in VEAP at the time. **This left many people, including myself, out in the cold.
I’m sure my mother would be surprised to hear that she wasn’t paying taxes for the 8 years she worked under an H1B visa. She would also disagree with the assertion that she got paid less when under the visa, because when she was finally sponsered for her greencard by her employer they cut her salary by a third. She never had any insurance offered to her, so when she or her 3 children needed healthcare she paid every penny by herself.
My father eventually started his own PR business that now employs over a dozen people. So you can subtract them from the number of U.S. citizens out of jobs because of H1B visas. You can visit his company website at http://www.LVA.com if you feel like it.
I personally believe that people that get so upset about immigration are just racists.
You mean the way the donut shop’s application was “rubber stamped”? Please. You can argue that the application process isn’t as stringent as it could be, but to suggest that all a company has to do to get an H1B worker is file the application is yet another lie.
You can get medical attention all right but it won’t be free. The hospital will send you a bill for it and if you don’t pay it they’ll send a collection agency after you. I speak from experience here.
Fugazi: I don’t see a self-inflicted injury as “being screwed out” of something. Prior to the MGIB taking effect, there was plenty of notice for those eligible under the VEAP to make a lump-sum payment. Hell, they’re STILL eligible to do so if on active duty today.
The prudent thing to have done is what I did (yep 20-20 hindsight for others, but this is how it worked for me):
- Listen to the wife (back when I was married).
- Contribute the maximum.
- Let it stay in there until it’s used.
- Write congressman about why those under VEAP should be allowed to convert to MGIB.
- Thank God when the government sees the wisdom of #4 (if you’re a praying sort).
- Convert and take the $1500 back ($2700 returned contribution minus $1200 MGIB enrollment) and use it to either pay off bills or invest. Or just party with it.
The key thing here was: I READ THE PLAN OF THE WEEK! You know, that nifty little thing the unit administration office put out every week which was mandatory reading.
Monty - I never read the plan of the week (I know my bad) and I know a lot of people who didn’t. I didn’t hear anything about the transfer plan until it was too late. The only people I know of who transfered were people that already had money sitting around in VEAP doing nothing.
Kinda reminds me of Hitchhikers Guide when they posted the plans for the By-pass in the basement, without stairs, in a locked file cabinet.
Anyway, I was just trying to point out how someone could serve in the military and not get the GI Bill.
ruadh, what do you mean by “provide evidence”? Lure the guy who told me about it, beat him up and put him on your lap and make him confess? Besides, I noticed that those types of long help-wanted ads like the one I described don’t usually show up on the net.
This is the quote you were asked to back up in a previous thread:
It’s quite simple. Give us examples of the job listings that were written in such a way that only foreigners could qualify.
Too bad.
Exactly. It was your own fault. See above where I said “self-inflicted injury.”
Their fault for being willfully ignorant of what was happening that just possibly could of been of some import to them. BTW, it’s kind of hard to keep up with what watches you’re posted to without reading the plan, isn’t it?
You avoided the entire issue for well over a year? Let me guess, you never read the base newspaper nor even the Army Times, Navy Times, etc.?
[quoste]The only people I know of who transfered were people that already had money sitting around in VEAP doing nothing.
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This is manure on two levels:
(1) The money in the VEAP account wasn’t “doing nothing.” The contribution from the Service member is “twice matched” by the government. Thus, if one had contributed $2700, the government contributes $5400; that gives one $8100 towards education. Sure as heck looks like a 200% return on the investment to me.
(2) For the conversion, one also had the option of getting the $2700 back and then participating in the $100 a month salary reduction.
Except here we’re discussing something that’s posted on the unit bulletin board, in a conspicuous place, available to all members of the unit. I guess it’s the military’s fault for not posting it where the sun doesn’t shine so you could’ve seen it then.
And I, along with at least one other poster here, am pointing out how it’s their own stupid and indifferent at the time fault.
In short, too bad. Assign the blame where it belongs: with the person who remained willfully ignorant.
Other nations and supra-national confederations, like the EU, make it at least as difficult, if not more so, for foreign nationals to be employed. In South Korea, for example, it is possible for a non-Korean to teach English legally, provided one has a sponsor and the necessary qualifications. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to find a position in a Korean company as anything other than a “foreign consultant.” Why should the US cede a privilege to other nations’ citizens that their home countries won’t extend to ours?
If you’d like, we could do away with existing immigration laws and let any willing workers come to America and be employed. Or, it would be simpler to outsource coding and programming tasks to, say, India. We could eliminate jobs going to those greedy, overpaid Americans and maximize corporate profits. Surely, you’d like to see the prevailing tech-sector entry-level wage cut in the interests of global fairness?
goboy wrote
So, then you’ll agree that since Singapore has no problem publicly caning criminals who are U.S. citizens, that we should start publicly caning criminals from other countries?
The answer to your question: “Because we’re better than that.”