# had the American government something to do with 9-11? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 3, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084 "2006-07-03T19:38:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/1 "2006-07-03T19:38:21Z")
According to these witness: > [@](#): > > “[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”–Firefighter Richard Banaciski > [@](#): > > “I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”–Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory > [@](#): > > “\*t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear ‘Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop’."–Paramedic Daniel Rivera [http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4131](http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4131) the question will be: had the American government (or an American organization) something to do with 9-11? Is there events around 9-11 that don’t have been revealed properly? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/2 "2006-07-03T19:41:00Z")
Oh, God, do we HAVE to do this all over again? ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/3 "2006-07-03T19:42:24Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Oh, God, do we HAVE to do this all over again? well this is pretty new to me ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/4 "2006-07-03T19:42:31Z")
> [@Minotaurus](#): > > the question will be: > had the American government (or an American organization) something to do with 9-11? No. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, how many times do we have to go over this crap? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/5 "2006-07-03T19:43:44Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Oh, God, do we HAVE to do this all over again? Gotta type faster…curse these metal fingers! ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/6 "2006-07-03T19:44:20Z")
> [@Minotaurus](#): > > well this is pretty new to me Well, then, go to [this thread,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=364515&highlight=hoax) and save everybody a lot of aggravation. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/7 "2006-07-03T19:46:23Z")
If we just say yes they did, can we close this thread? Yes, duh, the US goverenment downed the two towers, crashed a plane into thte Pentagon (or was it a plane?) and shot down a plane over Pennsylvania. Can we move on now? Please? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/8 "2006-07-03T19:48:00Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Oh, God, do we HAVE to do this all over again? yeah, it looks like we gotta do it all over again. (to justify our slogan “It’s taking longer than we thought”) besides, it should be obvious: the American government **did** “have something to do with” 9/11. It was the target. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/9 "2006-07-03T20:05:18Z")
Yes, the US had as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq did. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/10 "2006-07-03T20:08:01Z")
Never mind the fact that they would have had to do all that planning and execution(without screwing something up) and 5 years, nobody has blown the whistle on it. Doesn’t pass the laugh test. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/11 "2006-07-03T20:08:08Z")
I don’t see where any of the three quoted individuals are experts on building demolition. That’s just the single most obvious flaw. The others are infinite. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/12 "2006-07-03T20:48:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, the US had as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq did. Um…a bit more than Iraq I’d say, as we were the target. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/13 "2006-07-03T21:27:44Z")
Minotaurus; [a link for you to follow.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7545493#post7545493) ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/14 "2006-07-03T22:00:33Z")
stick to the OP or don’t make any reply ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/15 "2006-07-03T22:09:48Z")
We’ll reply however we please, within the rules of the forum. Now, please read the linked threads; if you find anything to dispute after that you are welcome to do so. I’ll make a point I’ve made in a previous thread on the subject. If some rogue element was going to simulate a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, would it not have been far simpler to go ahead and hijack the planes rather than concoct some absurdly complex scheme to fake the effects of planes crashing into them? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/16 "2006-07-03T22:26:17Z")
> [@Minotaurus](#): > > stick to the OP or don’t make any reply Snippy, aren’t we? Have you read through the other thread yet? The one with page after page after page after page of refutations of these stupid conspiracy theories? How about you read through all that so we don’t have to repeat ourselves? And after you’ve read all that, how about you come back and tell us that you’re convinced, and ask for this thread to be locked? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/17 "2006-07-03T22:26:54Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’ll make a point I’ve made in a previous thread on the subject. If some rogue element was going to simulate a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, would it not have been far simpler to go ahead and hijack the planes rather than concoct some absurdly complex scheme to fake the effects of planes crashing into them? Especially given that they did, in fact, highjack the planes. I mean, they had to go somewhere, right? These theories don’t even pass the laugh test. “The highjackers were US agents” is at least technically _possible_. But secret explosives? Missles into the Pentagon? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/18 "2006-07-03T22:54:12Z")
And this is covered over and over again in the previous threads. What exactly is the POINT of hijacking these planes and crashing them into buildings you’ve already got wired for demolition? If your conspiracy can wire the buildings for demolition, then hijacking planes and crashing them into the buildings is stupid and counterproductive. If your consipiracy can hijack planes and crash them into buildings, then wiring them for demolition is stupid and counterproductive. Minotaurus…if that IS your real name…do you believe that planes crashed into the World Trade Center? If so, what possible purpose could be served by the conspirators wiring the buildings with explosives, even assuming you could do such a thing without the thousands of people in the building noticing? When will you come back and admit that you made a mistake opening this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/19 "2006-07-03T22:55:06Z")
Oooooookaaaaaayyyy… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/20 "2006-07-03T22:57:13Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > What exactly is the POINT of hijacking these planes and crashing them into buildings you’ve already got wired for demolition? 😕 Planes? What planes? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084.md?page=2)