# had the American government something to do with 9-11? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 3, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084 "2006-07-03T19:38:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gene\_Frenkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gene\_Frenkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gene_Frenkle)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/41 "2006-07-04T16:47:32Z")
**PBear42** , regarding your point #2, the murder of innocent civilians, GB has no problem with the thousand of innocent Iraqis who have been killed by his bombs. Or is ok because the aren’t Christians? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/42 "2006-07-04T17:55:12Z")
[QUOTE=Gene Frenkle] **PBear42** , regarding your point #2, the murder of innocent civilians, GB has no problem with the thousand of innocent Iraqis who have been killed by his bombs. Or is ok because the aren’t Christians? [/QUOTE] You know, I’m no fan of George W Bush, in fact I dislike him a great deal and agonize weekly over the hash his administration has made of this war, but do you have any cite that proves he has “no problem” with the Iraqis who have died in this war? Or that he doesn’t care because they are “not Christian”? Or are you just blathering out of your bleeding ignorant asshole like so many of the anti-war idiots in this country? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/43 "2006-07-04T18:17:45Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] You know, I’m no fan of George W Bush, in fact I dislike him a great deal and agonize weekly over the hash his administration has made of this war, but do you have any cite that proves he has “no problem” with the Iraqis who have died in this war? Or that he doesn’t care because they are “not Christian”? Or are you just blathering out of your bleeding ignorant asshole like so many of the anti-war idiots in this country? [/QUOTE] How could there be any cite? We’re talking about a public figure’s inner life here. IMO, he doesn’t value the Iraqis any the less because they’re Muslims, but neither does he value them, period. He is in a better position than anyone to know exactly how many have been killed directly or indirectly by the war/occupation/insurgency (a figure the rest of us can only debate), but I doubt he troubles to inquire into the matter at all, or loses any sleep over it. Just my WAG, which is all you or I have got. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/44 "2006-07-04T18:21:02Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] stick to the OP or don’t make any reply [/QUOTE] Very well. In reply to the OP question: **NO!** ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/45 "2006-07-04T18:52:32Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] How could there be any cite? We’re talking about a public figure’s inner life here. IMO, he doesn’t value the Iraqis any the less because they’re Muslims, but neither does he value them, period. He is in a better position than anyone to know exactly how many have been killed directly or indirectly by the war/occupation/insurgency (a figure the rest of us can only debate), but I doubt he troubles to inquire into the matter at all, or loses any sleep over it. Just my WAG, which is all you or I have got. [/QUOTE] Do you rerally think so? GWB strikes me as a man who is keenly aware of every single person who dies inb this war, but also as a man who is determined to push on regardless in persuit of his goal. That’s his big strength, and also his huge weakness. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/46 "2006-07-04T18:52:39Z")
[QUOTE=PBear42] …You get fired for stuff like that. Look what happened to the Northwoods guys… [/QUOTE] Ya mean guys like Lyman Louis Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1960 to 1962? That “[Northwoods guy](http://www.geocities.com/tetrahedronomega/)”? What did happen to [him](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Lemnitzer)? …Lemnitzer was named as Commander of U.S. Forces in Europe in November 1962 and was appointed as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963… …Lemnitzer retired from the military in July 1969. In 1975, President Ford appointed Lemnitzer to the Commission on CIA Activities within the United States (aka the Rockefeller Commission) to investigate whether the Central Intelligence Agency had committed acts that violated American laws…Maybe you could tell me how the other Northwoods guys were “fired”? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/47 "2006-07-04T20:30:27Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Do you rerally think so? GWB strikes me as a man who is keenly aware of every single person who dies inb this war [/QUOTE] Yoiu actually think George Bush is “keenly aware” of every single person who dies in the war? On what basis? That’s an extraordinary claim. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/48 "2006-07-04T20:51:55Z")
OP, please watch this video: [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523) ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/49 "2006-07-04T21:11:42Z")
[QUOTE=Gene Frenkle] **PBear42** , regarding your point #2, the murder of innocent civilians, GB has no problem with the thousand of innocent Iraqis who have been killed by his bombs. Or is ok because the aren’t Christians? [/QUOTE] It’s hate-filled, ranting gibberish like this that gives the left such a bad smell. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/50 "2006-07-04T21:22:11Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Do you rerally think so? GWB strikes me as a man who is keenly aware of every single person who dies inb this war, but also as a man who is determined to push on regardless in persuit of his goal. That’s his big strength, and also his huge weakness. [/QUOTE] No, **Weirddave,** you are describing Abraham Lincoln. I fail to see any slightest resemblance between the two. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/51 "2006-07-04T21:23:54Z")
[QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] It’s hate-filled, ranting gibberish like this that gives the left such a bad smell. [/QUOTE] Says the **LonesomPolecat!** (Sorry, Mods, I know we’re not supposed to do that with usernames but I couldn’t resist! 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/52 "2006-07-04T22:06:46Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Says the **LonesomPolecat!** (Sorry, Mods, I know we’re not supposed to do that with usernames but I couldn’t resist! 😃 ) [/QUOTE] Well, actually, I really should have thought about it a little before I hit the submit button. I could maybe have looked up the word “irony” or something … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/53 "2006-07-04T22:16:45Z")
Now that **Minotaurus** has had a stake driven through his foul, black heart (and been covered with acid so he cannot regenerate- how’s that for a mixed monster metaphor), can we let his foul topic die with him? The threads that various posters have linked to more than explain any remaining questions. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084/54 "2006-07-04T22:23:30Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Clam] Now that **Minotaurus** has had a stake driven through his foul, black heart (and been covered with acid so he cannot regenerate- how’s that for a mixed monster metaphor), can we let his foul topic die with him? The threads that various posters have linked to more than explain any remaining questions. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I think we’re done here. Obviously there’s not going to be any serious discussion of the OP. Perhaps we should petition the mods to lock the thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/had-the-american-government-something-to-do-with-9-11/363084.md?page=2)