# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/221 "2007-05-26T16:06:51Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Well, I could. But I wouldn’t expect much from me. 1) Most information has been traded already. 2) It’s a holiday weekend. I suppose a half dead fish is better than a fully dead fish. [/QUOTE] I’d love it if you’d like to get into it - there’s more to this game than the weekend, and as you say, better someone who’ll participate a little than not at all. As far as ‘most information’ having been traded, well… here are a few little statistics: - Out of the 20 rules in play, 2 have never been involved in any trades yet. - On average, each player has gotten about 4 rules in trade. (Those who haven’t participated much skew this down a bit I admit.) - Each rule has been seen by about 5 players so far on average. Now obviously, we’re not likely to get to the point where each player has seen each rule, (because it’d make the endgame a bit dull.) But there seems to be quite a lot of room for catch-up and interesting trades yet! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/222 "2007-05-26T16:12:32Z")
I’ll give it a shot. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/223 "2007-05-26T16:23:18Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I’ll give it a shot. [/QUOTE] Okay, **sachertorte** is in for **Omi no Kami**. **sach,** I’d say that any open trades extended for **Kami** are open to you, as well as anything that’s available to anybody. Welcome to the game! **sachertorte** Holds rules: 4, 7, 14, 20 Has seen rules: And holds these cards: B (2), T (2), A, E, J, L, N, O, V ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/224 "2007-05-26T18:18:38Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Instead, Dragoness offer 5: I will give a D or H card and a peek at rule 4, 5, or 13 in return for a look at rule 14 and a letter card of your choice. [/QUOTE] Accept Dragoness Offer #5: sachertorte shows rule 14 and trades “B” for seeing rule 13 and possession of “D” ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/225 "2007-05-26T18:32:57Z")
Priceguy, I can’t believe you revealed the secrets of Rule #7. I am quite vexed with you.sachertorte offer #1 to Priceguy: I will burn slip #7 in exchange for Priceguy burning slip #7. sachertorte offer #2 to nesta: I will show you rule #20 for a look at rule #17 sachertorte offer #3 to percypercy: I will show you rule #20 in exchange for a look at rule #18. sachertorte offer #4 to MadTheSwine: I will show rules 4, 14, and 20 in exchange for a look at rules 1, 9, and 12 ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/226 "2007-05-26T18:34:24Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Accept Dragoness Offer #5: sachertorte shows rule 14 and trades “B” for seeing rule 13 and possession of “D” [/QUOTE] PMd. **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 6, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 8, 9, 11, 14, 19 And holds these cards: D (3), B (2), H, M, P, R, W, X **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 11, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 13, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, D, F, G, L, O, P, R, T, U **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 9, 15, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 19 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17 Has seen rules: 4, 14 And holds these cards: A (2), I (2), C, E, H, M, W, X, Z **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 5, 14 And holds these cards: F (3), E, G, I, L, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: 4, 7, 14, 20 Has seen rules: 13 And holds these cards: T (2), A, B, D, E, J, L, N, O, V **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13 And holds these cards: M (2), C, F, G, I, J, L, N, Z **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 8, 15, 19 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 16 And holds these cards: Y (2), A, C, E, G, J, K, O, P, Q, S, T ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/227 "2007-05-26T18:43:25Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Priceguy, I can’t believe you revealed the secrets of Rule #7. I am quite vexed with you.sachertorte offer #1 to Priceguy: I will burn slip #7 in exchange for Priceguy burning slip #7. [/QUOTE] Oh-ho! I have to say, that’s an interesting proposal, **sach**. Never expected that people would be dealing to destroy rule slips, but if **Priceguy** goes along with it, I will enforce the agreement. (snaps his finger and with mysterious Gamesmaster powers conjures forth a cheap plastic lighter. Produces a tiny flame to demonstrate that it works.) Since there are only the two copies of #7, the two of you and **Hal Briston** would be the only ones who know it until the endgame… UNLESS one of the three of you announce it openly in the thread, which is always permitted, if seldom strategically sound. I’d advise caution. Very early to be going through with a grandstand play like this that could end up hurting you both. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/228 "2007-05-26T18:50:25Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte offer #1 to Priceguy: I will burn slip #7 in exchange for Priceguy burning slip #7. [/QUOTE] Upon reflection, I see that this helps you much more than me. I am willing to give you exclusive rights to rule #7 for a price. retract sachertorte offer #1 sachertorte offer #5 to Priceguy. I will trade you slip #7 (giving you _exclusive_ rights to #7) in exchange for “G” and “E” ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/229 "2007-05-26T19:04:25Z")
Don’t be too hasty **sachertorte** , if you believe that Rule 7 is so valuable, you may be able to use it for that blockbuster trade at the end that would put you over the top. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/230 "2007-05-26T19:07:33Z")
USCDiver Offer #15: for **sachertorte** , in exchange for your V card, you may see either Rule 8 or Rule 19 ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/231 "2007-05-26T19:09:31Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte offer #5 to Priceguy. I will trade you slip #7 (giving you _exclusive_ rights to #7) in exchange for “G” and “E” [/QUOTE] Not gonna happen. Priceguy offer #5 for the first to accept of **Dragoness** and **Doctor Who** : I’ll give you two F cards for an M and a P. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/232 "2007-05-26T19:36:06Z")
**Priceguy** , care to respond or counteroffer my Offer #14 above (post 216)? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/233 "2007-05-26T19:43:47Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Not gonna happen. Priceguy offer #5 for the first to accept of **Dragoness** and **Doctor Who** : I’ll give you two F cards for an M and a P. [/QUOTE] **Dragoness** and **Doctor** **Who** , before giving in to Priceguy, you might want to see rule #7! sachertorte offer #6 to Dragoness: I offer a look at rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #5 sachertorte offer #7 to Doctor Who: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #6. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/234 "2007-05-26T19:46:42Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Not gonna happen. Priceguy offer #5 for the first to accept of **Dragoness** and **Doctor Who** : I’ll give you two F cards for an M and a P. [/QUOTE] Sorry. But I’d love an F card for a D or a B. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/235 "2007-05-26T19:48:44Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte offer #6 to Dragoness: I offer a look at rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #5 [/QUOTE] Wow, you sure are making a big deal about rule #7! I almost expect a bit of a scam. But sure. Accept a look at rule 7 for a look at rule 5. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/236 "2007-05-26T19:54:17Z")
**Uncommon Sense** and **nesta** , you would also do well to know the contents of Rule #7 (note Priceguy’s interest in the letters ‘M’ and ‘P’). Perhaps you would like to know why. sachertorte offer #7 to Uncommon Sense: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #10. sachertorte offer #8 to nesta: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #11 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/237 "2007-05-26T19:58:24Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Wow, you sure are making a big deal about rule #7! I almost expect a bit of a scam. [/QUOTE] As you will see when you receive rule #7, there is no scam here. I offered Priceguy exclusive rights to #7, which really was quite generous of me since he is in great position to take advantage of #7. However, he rejected my offer, so my response is to trade #7 to the people who have what Priceguy wants! Is that mean? I assume Priceguy’s rejection of my offer nullifies it, but just in case: Retract sachertorte offer #5 ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/238 "2007-05-26T20:00:33Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] **Uncommon Sense** and **nesta** , you would also do well to know the contents of Rule #7 (note Priceguy’s interest in the letters ‘M’ and ‘P’). Perhaps you would like to know why. sachertorte offer #7 to Uncommon Sense: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #10. sachertorte offer #8 to nesta: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #11 [/QUOTE] Well, well well, if we’re bandying Rule #7 about now, USCDiver Offer #16: In exchange for seeing your Rule #7, you may see either Rule #8 or Rule #19. (note this is in addition to Offer 15 above) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/239 "2007-05-26T20:07:44Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] Well, well well, if we’re bandying Rule #7 about now, USCDiver Offer #16: In exchange for seeing your Rule #7, you may see either Rule #8 or Rule #19. (note this is in addition to Offer 15 above) [/QUOTE] accept USCDiver offer #16: looks at rules #7 and #8 ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/240 "2007-05-26T20:10:15Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] accept USCDiver offer #16: looks at rules #7 and #8 [/QUOTE] Excellent, care to PM each other? Also, Revised USCDiver Offer #15, for **sachertorte** , Your I card in exchange for viewing Rule 19 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=13)