# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/241 "2007-05-26T20:10:30Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte offer #7 to Uncommon Sense: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #10. sachertorte offer #8 to nesta: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #11 [/QUOTE] I can’t count! sachertorte offer #9 to Uncommon Sense: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #10. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/242 "2007-05-26T20:12:53Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] Excellent, care to PM each other? Also, Revised USCDiver Offer #15, for **sachertorte** , Your I card in exchange for viewing Rule 19 [/QUOTE] I do not own an I card. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/243 "2007-05-26T20:18:50Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I do not own an I card. [/QUOTE] I apologize, I got confused… but my original Offer #15 was for a V card, so re-revised USCDiver Offer #15: for sachertorte, Your V card in exchange for viewing Rule 19 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/244 "2007-05-26T20:35:58Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] re-revised USCDiver Offer #15: for sachertorte, Your V card in exchange for viewing Rule 19 [/QUOTE] At this time it think it is unwise to give up letters for merely information, Especially the letter ‘V’ of which there are only **two** in the game. sachertorte offer #10 to USCDiver: I will exchange the rare and apparently valuable ‘V’ for the letters ‘G’ and ‘E’ ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/245 "2007-05-26T20:43:40Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Sorry. But I’d love an F card for a D or a B. [/QUOTE] Accepted. **sachertorte** , you might want to look at a couple more rules before you determine the value of rule 7. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/246 "2007-05-26T20:48:55Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Accepted. [/QUOTE] Which do you want, a D or a B? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/247 "2007-05-26T20:50:26Z")
Ah, you’re going on relative value despite not having very much ‘mere information’ (this whole game is about information, man!). You’ll also notice that there are only 2 people that own Rule 19, so it’s relative value is the same as for V Card. But I understand your reluctance to give up cards for which you don’t know the value, I had the same thought earlier in the game (ie yesterday). ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/248 "2007-05-26T20:51:17Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Which do you want, a D or a B? [/QUOTE] What I’d most like is enough of a brain to do acceptances correctly. Do you have one of those? Anyway, I noticed that your offer isn’t done correctly either (no numbering) so if I understand the rules it’s not valid. Please make a numbered offer offering me a D for an F and we’ll be in business! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/249 "2007-05-26T21:26:52Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] Ah, you’re going on relative value despite not having very much ‘mere information’ (this whole game is about information, man!). You’ll also notice that there are only 2 people that own Rule 19, so it’s relative value is the same as for V Card. But I understand your reluctance to give up cards for which you don’t know the value, I had the same thought earlier in the game (ie yesterday). [/QUOTE] Well duh. I’m starting today where everyone else was yesterday. Your assertion that rule 19 has the same relative value because only two people have rule 19 and only two people have the letter V is flat out WRONG. There are only two ‘V’ cards in the game. Multiple people can ‘know’ the contents of rule 19 and they do. Showing a rule doesn’t really cost the revealer a whole lot. Giving up a letter is a lost tangible asset. This should be obvious. If you are so keen for information over assets: sachertorte offer #11 to USCDiver: I will show rule #20 in exchange for the letter ‘G’. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/250 "2007-05-26T21:33:14Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] **sachertorte** , you might want to look at a couple more rules before you determine the value of rule 7. [/QUOTE] Heh. I’m sure **Priceguy** would like everyone to think Rule 7 is not important. Truth is, to many it’s not. But to those with whom **Priceguy** is trying to trade, they would do well to know the contents of rule 7 first. I stand by my assertion. If Dragoness feels our trade was unfair or misrepresented, she should state so publicly. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/251 "2007-05-26T22:11:43Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Please make a numbered offer offering me a D for an F and we’ll be in business! [/QUOTE] Kay then. Dragoness offer #7: For Priceguy, a D in exchange for an F. I guess we must be formal, eh? Say, **Priceguy,** what would you like for your Y? If I’ve kept track right, you’re still short rule #4. Perhaps Dragoness offer #8: A look at rule 4 and a P card for his Y? ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/252 "2007-05-26T22:13:08Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] If Dragoness feels our trade was unfair or misrepresented, she should state so publicly. [/QUOTE] Why of course not! You’d make a great salesman though 🙂 What sort of deal were you hoping to get for your V? Before my edit window goes, I’d better say Withdraw offers 4 and 6. They’re a couple pages back, but it’s best to be careful. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/253 "2007-05-26T22:19:35Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Kay then. Dragoness offer #7: For Priceguy, a D in exchange for an F. [/quote] Accepted. > [@](#): > > Say, **Priceguy,** what would you like for your Y? If I’ve kept track right, you’re still short rule #4. Perhaps Dragoness offer #8: A look at rule 4 and a P card for his Y? Also accepted. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/254 "2007-05-26T23:23:33Z")
**billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 6, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 7, 8, 9, 11, 14, 19 And holds these cards: B (2), D (2), F, H, M, R, W, X, Y **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 11, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 13, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, D, F, G, L, O, P, R, T, U **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 9, 15, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 19 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17 Has seen rules: 4, 14 And holds these cards: A (2), I (2), C, E, H, M, W, X, Z **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), D, E, G, I, L, M, N, O, P, R **sachertorte** Holds rules: 4, 7, 14, 20 Has seen rules: 5, 8, 13 And holds these cards: T (2), A, B, D, E, J, L, N, O, V **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13 And holds these cards: M (2), C, F, G, I, J, L, N, Z **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 8, 15, 19 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 16 And holds these cards: Y (2), A, C, E, G, J, K, O, P, Q, S, T And thanks to everybody who handled their own trades while I was visiting with family this aft. Everything looks kosher as far as I can tell from here. **sachertorte** , **Dragoness** , I missed the accept on the rule 5-rule 7 trade the first time, but when I reread the thread I found it - green sometimes isn’t as easy to pick out as I’d hope, oh well. Maybe we can^D^D^D No, the lime is even harder, on preview. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/255 "2007-05-26T23:38:49Z")
Priceguy offer #6: I offer **NAF1138** an F card and an N card for a C card and a U card. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/256 "2007-05-26T23:46:05Z")
Hmmm. I may have made a brainfart when I traded that Y card. **Dragoness** , anything you’d like for it? Rules 2 and 16 are still unknown to you. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/257 "2007-05-26T23:46:07Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Priceguy offer #6: I offer **NAF1138** an F card and an N card for a C card and a U card. [/QUOTE] Why Priceguy, you’re giving up your N? Dragoness offer #9: Priceguy’s N for a D or a B. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/258 "2007-05-26T23:47:18Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Why Priceguy, you’re giving up your N? Dragoness offer #9: Priceguy’s N for a D or a B. [/QUOTE] Naah, but see previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/259 "2007-05-27T00:07:38Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Hmmm. I may have made a brainfart when I traded that Y card. **Dragoness** , anything you’d like for it? Rules 2 and 16 are still unknown to you. [/QUOTE] Sorry Priceguy… by my calculations, that Y makes… well, a huge difference. I don’t think I can ditch it unless new information comes to light. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/260 "2007-05-27T00:10:36Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Sorry Priceguy… by my calculations, that Y makes… well, a huge difference. I don’t think I can ditch it unless new information comes to light. [/QUOTE] I certainly do have information about that Y, but showing you that before getting the Y would mean taking a huge risk. Serves me right for not thinking, I guess. Let me know if you change your mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=14)