# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/261 "2007-05-27T00:11:50Z")

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]

Your assertion that rule 19 has the same relative value because only two people have rule 19 and only two people have the letter V is flat out WRONG. There are only two ‘V’ cards in the game. Multiple people can ‘know’ the contents of rule 19 and they do. Showing a rule doesn’t really cost the revealer a whole lot. Giving up a letter is a lost tangible asset. This should be obvious.  
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Then your amazement at the exchange of Rule #7 makes even less sense, especially now that I’ve seen it.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/262 "2007-05-27T00:13:07Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
I certainly do have information about that Y, but showing you that before getting the Y would mean taking a huge risk. Serves me right for not thinking, I guess. Let me know if you change your mind.  
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Hmmm, I seem to have two Y cards…

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/263 "2007-05-27T00:13:31Z")

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**USCDiver** is holding a couple of Ys, I notice. Unless I’m more vastly mistaken than a man who thinks Hilaire Belloc is still alive, I have a couple of letters he might be interested in. Might we be able to work something out for a Y?

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**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/264 "2007-05-27T00:14:26Z")

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[QUOTE=USCDiver]  
Then your amazement at the exchange of Rule #7 makes even less sense, especially now that I’ve seen it.  
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Yeah, **USDiver,** it’s pretty funny how **sachertorte** is making people think his rule #7 is valuable enough to trade for… But then, you know _all_ about that 😛

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/265 "2007-05-27T00:14:33Z")

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And, of course, it’s not a game without simulposting.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/266 "2007-05-27T01:02:09Z")

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Gnight all my hagglers, I’ll be checking for PMs in the morning. 🙂

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/267 "2007-05-27T08:01:06Z")

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[QUOTE=Dragoness]  
Yeah, **USDiver,** it’s pretty funny how **sachertorte** is making people think his rule #7 is valuable enough to trade for… But then, you know _all_ about that 😛  
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Yeah, no kidding. I’ve seen rule #7 and it ain’t all that.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/268 "2007-05-27T08:03:04Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
**USCDiver** is holding a couple of Ys, I notice. Unless I’m more vastly mistaken than a man who thinks Hilaire Belloc is still alive, I have a couple of letters he might be interested in. Might we be able to work something out for a Y?  
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Hmm, I know your I card is valuable to you, but there are more of them than Y cards including at least one player holding more than one.

USCDiver Offer #17: Priceguy gets one of my Y cards in exchange for an I card

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/269 "2007-05-27T09:52:56Z")

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[QUOTE=USCDiver]  
Hmm, I know your I card is valuable to you, but there are more of them than Y cards including at least one player holding more than one.

USCDiver Offer #17: Priceguy gets one of my Y cards in exchange for an I card  
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Accepted.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/270 "2007-05-27T10:23:06Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
Accepted.  
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[Mr. Burns]Excellent[/Burns]

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/271 "2007-05-27T10:24:50Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
Accepted.  
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**Priceguy**  
Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16  
Has seen rules: 4, 5, 14  
And holds these cards: F (2), D, E, G, L, M, N, O, P, R, Y

**USCDiver**  
Holds rules: 2, 8, 15, 19  
Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 16  
And holds these cards: A, C, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, S, T, Y

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/272 "2007-05-27T11:41:53Z")

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Looks like it’s just you and me here right now **Priceguy** , care to make any more deals?

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/273 "2007-05-27T11:44:18Z")

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I would like a C card, if I could interest you in something. I’m also a bit low on rules knowledge, if you catch my drift.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/274 "2007-05-27T11:51:53Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
I would like a C card, if I could interest you in something. I’m also a bit low on rules knowledge, if you catch my drift.  
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(I think we should use more flowery language in this game)

As you no doubt know, the C card is quite valuable and I would be loathe to part with it so hastily.

Also, unfortunately, you have no Rules of which I am unaware. But fortunately I have several of which you are unaware..

Let me ruminate on this predicament and see if I can come up with a mutually beneficial arangement.

Feel free to propose what you deem to be advantageous to each of us…

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/275 "2007-05-27T15:13:59Z")

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Let’s get some of the less active players involved.

Priceguy offer #7: I offer **nesta** an F card, an N card and a look at rule 7 in exchange for a C card, an I card and a look at one rule of his or her choice that I haven’t seen (currently all held).

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/276 "2007-05-27T18:17:01Z")

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[QUOTE=sachertorte]  
sachertorte offer #8 to nesta: I will show you rule #7 in exchange for a look at rule #11  
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I accept **sachertorte** offer #8. I sill show rule #11 in exchange for seeing the coveted rule #7.

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/277 "2007-05-27T18:23:55Z")

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Offer nesta #3: I will show **billyb0b** , **Dragoness** , or **Priceguy** rule #10 in exchange for seeing rule #13.

Don’t let someone else steal your chance!

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/278 "2007-05-27T18:35:06Z")

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[QUOTE=nesta]  
I accept **sachertorte** offer #8. I sill show rule #11 in exchange for seeing the coveted rule #7.  
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PMd

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/279 "2007-05-27T18:45:13Z")

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[QUOTE=nesta]  
Offer nesta #3: I will show **billyb0b** , **Dragoness** , or **Priceguy** rule #10 in exchange for seeing rule #13.  
[/QUOTE]  
Throw in a card exchange and you’ve got a deal.

Counteroffer: Priceguy offer #8: I offer **nesta** their choice of an F or N card plus a look at rule 13, in exchange for their choice of a C or I card plus a look at rule 10.

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/280 "2007-05-27T18:54:12Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
Counteroffer: Priceguy offer #8: I offer **nesta** their choice of an F or N card plus a look at rule 13, in exchange for their choice of a C or I card plus a look at rule 10.  
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Counter-counter offer nesta #4: I will show you rule #10 and give you a C card for a look at rule #13 and a D card.

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