# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/341 "2007-05-30T01:25:32Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I will sell portions of my portfolio in exchange for points to be paid prior to the conclusion of the game [/QUOTE] Can we do this? How does it work? Do you mean points subracted from our portfolio and added to yours? ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/342 "2007-05-30T01:31:10Z")
Assuming you mean points that are subtracted from our portfolio at the end of the game and added to yours: [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Rule Slip** offer: I will sell one (1) rule slip in my possession for two (2) points. [/quote] I will buy all rule slips you will sell. If I need to pick one, I will buy rule 5. [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Consonant Sale** (limited to one consonant transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) consonant in my possession for five (5) points (offer not valid on the consonant ‘V’). [/quote] How do we need to break this up into transactions? I guess for the first one I will buy a B. [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Vowel Sale** (limited to one vowel transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) vowel in my possession for four (4) points. [/quote] I will buy an A. I will buy more if you let me. [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte ‘V’ auction: Be the owner of the only **non-defunct** Letter ‘V’ in the game… make me an offer. [/QUOTE] 20 points for your V ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/343 "2007-05-30T01:34:31Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] I will buy all rule slips you will sell. If I need to pick one, I will buy rule 5. [/QUOTE] Bah, wrong column. I see you don’t have rule 5. I will buy rule 20. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/344 "2007-05-30T01:39:14Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Rule Slip** offer: I will sell one (1) rule slip in my possession for two (2) points. [/QUOTE] I will purchase Slip #14 for two points. [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Consonant Sale** (limited to one consonant transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) consonant in my possession for five (5) points (offer not valid on the consonant ‘V’). [/QUOTE] I’ll take the N Card for five points. [QUOTE=sachertorte] sachertorte liquidation sale **Vowel Sale** (limited to one vowel transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) vowel in my possession for four (4) points. [/QUOTE] I’ll take the E Card for four points. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/345 "2007-05-30T02:16:21Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] NAF offer #7: USCDiver I will trade you rule 20 in exchange for rule 8. [/QUOTE] Accepted ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/346 "2007-05-30T02:21:28Z")
Sachertorte, I offer 25 points in exchange for your V card ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/347 "2007-05-30T02:38:02Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] Sachertorte, I offer 25 points in exchange for your V card [/QUOTE] I’ll go 30. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/348 "2007-05-30T02:51:49Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Hal Offer #11B, for **nesta** : A look at Rule Cards #10 and 17 in exchange for a look at Rule Cards #5 and #15. [/QUOTE] I accept Hal #11B ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/349 "2007-05-30T03:13:30Z")
Sachertorte, I offer 31 points in exchange for your V card ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/350 "2007-05-30T04:28:09Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I dont’ think I have the patience for this game. Also I don’t like the insinuation that I’m stupid. sachertorte liquidation sale **Consonant Sale** (limited to one consonant transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) consonant in my possession for five (5) points (offer not valid on the consonant ‘V’). sachertorte liquidation sale **Vowel Sale** (limited to one vowel transaction per player): I will sell any one (1) vowel in my possession for four (4) points. sachertorte ‘V’ auction: Be the owner of the only **non-defunct** Letter ‘V’ in the game… make me an offer. [/QUOTE] **sachertorte** , too bad you’re leaving the game. I’m not sure what exactly prompted it, but sorry feelings got hurt! That said, I’ll take a T for five points and an O for four points. Plus, I’ll go to 35 points for the V ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/351 "2007-05-30T04:40:59Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Plus, I’ll go to 35 points for the V [/QUOTE] I see how this is going. 40! for the V. Do we hear a 41? ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/352 "2007-05-30T04:53:37Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] I see how this is going. 40! for the V. Do we hear a 41? [/QUOTE] 40 for the V? :eek: Are you people insane?! Haven’t you seen Secret Rule 21? Or was I the only one that got that one? Shit, I’ve said too much. Anyways - I’m back from the long weekend and gamely attempting to wade through and figure out what the hell is going on. I will attempt to answer any pending (and un-withdrawn) offers. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/353 "2007-05-30T08:47:05Z")
I’m not paying nothin’ for no stinkin’ V! My currently outstanding offers: Priceguy offer #9: I offer **percypercy** two F cards and a look at rule 7 for an I card and a U card. Priceguy offer #10: I offer **billyb0b** his choice of an F card, a P card or an N card for a U card. Get in the game! ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/354 "2007-05-30T10:00:44Z")
Okay, let’s see. This ‘points’ thing is an interesting development, and I told myself before play begins that I wouldn’t squelch anybody who came up with interesting trade ideas. But I have a few concerns with this. One, my current tracking system isn’t set up to work with this. 😃 Two, none of you have points to trade yet. However, I don’t see that there’s any problem with trading ‘point IOUs’ Like all IOUs, there is some risk of default. If, when a players portfolio of letter cards is scored, he or she does not have enough points to pay back all IOUs, they will be evaluated in the order that they were contracted. So, here’s the update with all non-point trades from last night entered in. I’ll try to get the IOUs sorted out before I head off to work **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 6, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 7, 8, 9, 11, 14, 19 And holds these cards: B (2), D, F, H, M, R, S, W, X, Y **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 11, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), A, B, D, F, G, O, R, T, U **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 8, 9, 15 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 5, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 13, 14, 15 And holds these cards: A (2), I (2), D, E, H, M, W, X, Z **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: 4, 7, 14, 20 Has seen rules: 5, 8, 11, 13 And holds these cards: T (2), A, B, D, E, J, L, N, O, V **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13, 20 And holds these cards: M (2), C, F, G, I, J, L, N, Z **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, T, Y ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/355 "2007-05-30T10:12:39Z")
Updates after IOUs **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 6, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 7, 8, 9, 11, 14, 19 And holds these cards: B (2), D, F, H, M, O, R, S, T, W, X, Y owes sachertorte 9 points. **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 11, 14, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), A, B, D, E, F, G, N, O, R, T, U owes sachertorte 11 points. **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 8, 9, 15 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 5, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 13, 14, 15 And holds these cards: A (3), I (2), B, D, E, H, M, W, X, Z owes sachertorte 11 points **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: 4, 7 Has seen rules: 5, 8, 11, 13, 14, 20 And holds these cards: D, J, L, T, V is owed 11 points by **nesta** is owed 11 points by **Hal Briston** is owed 9 points by **Dragoness** **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13, 20 And holds these cards: M (2), C, F, G, I, J, L, N, Z **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, T, Y By the way, according to my interpretation of **sachertorte** ’s clearance, you don’t need to only take a given sale just once. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/356 "2007-05-30T10:22:44Z")
Adding an offer: Priceguy offer #9: I offer **percypercy** two F cards and a look at rule 7 for an I card and a U card. Priceguy offer #10: I offer **billyb0b** his choice of an F card, a P card or an N card for a U card. Priceguy offer #11: I offer **Uncommon Sense** his choice of an F card, a P card or an N card for an I card. I’m willing to throw in rules exchanges, so make counteroffers. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/357 "2007-05-30T14:28:04Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] By the way, according to my interpretation of **sachertorte** ’s clearance, you don’t need to only take a given sale just once. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying we can buy more from **sachertorte** , even if we have already had our one transaction per player? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/358 "2007-05-30T14:32:57Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] I’m not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying we can buy more from **sachertorte** , even if we have already had our one transaction per player? [/QUOTE] Whoops :smack: However, there is no clearly marked transaction limit for rules, just cards. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/359 "2007-05-30T15:06:12Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] This ‘points’ thing is an interesting development, and I told myself before play begins that I wouldn’t squelch anybody who came up with interesting trade ideas. [/QUOTE] Thanks. I was worried that you might not like my liquidation sale. I went into this game thinking it would be fun to shake things up with different strategies, but everyone else seems to prefer the straightforward style. The idea of agreeing to keep secrets didn’t seem to fly so well (what? no one wants to burn their rule slips?), and no one seems to agree with me that a secret is more valuable than information. I won’t agree with the assertion that I’m silly for thinking this, but people are entiled to their own views. So I figured that rather than try and figure out the worth of each letter, I’d just sell them. I was considering auctioning off everything and letting the free market determine price for me, but I don’t have the patience for that. I think I’d end up with an impressive score if I had. I just hope I didn’t set the values too low. (Not because I’m trying to win, but becuase I don’t want to whack out the game balance; hence the limit on sales per customer). At least I had the foresight to auction the rare and apparently valuable ‘V’. I wonder what other treasures have been purchased at low low prices at crazy sachertorte’s liquidation sale! Current high bid on the ‘V’ is 40 points from nesta. I will probably conclude the auction Thursday morning (10AM EDT - ish). Too bad I can’t have e-bay handle it for me. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/360 "2007-05-30T16:05:46Z")
**Sachertorte** , who made the insinuation that you were were “stupid”? That’s clearly not the case! Hal Offer #11D, for Uncommon Sense: A look at Rule Cards #10, #14 and #17 in exchange for a look at Rule Cards #5, #11 and #15. Counter offer of Hal # 11D; Toss me one of your unwanted letters and we’ll call it a deal. Priceguy offer #11: I offer Uncommon Sense his choice of an F card, a P card or an N card for an I card. That’s my only vowel so I’m going to have to decline at this point, you may leave the offer on the table however. I just wanted to let you know I saw it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=19)