# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/401 "2007-05-31T05:55:38Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Mad offer #3 Show me any 2 rules(except 10 or 20) I don’t have for all a view of all my rules (1,9,12,19) [/QUOTE] Can we just do a one-for-one? Dragoness offer 16: for MadTheSwine, a look at rule 4 for a look at rule 12. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/402 "2007-05-31T09:32:53Z")
Good morning everybody, welcome back **MadTheSwine** , and I hope that was a fun night of wheelin’ and dealin’. **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 6, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 19, 20 And holds these cards: B (2), D, F, H, M, O, R, S, T, W, X, Y owes **sachertorte** 9 points. **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 11, 14, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), A, B, D, E, F, G, N, O, R, T, U owes **sachertorte** 11 points. **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: 10, 20 And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 8, 9, 15 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 5, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 And holds these cards: A (3), I (2), B, D, E, H, M, W, X, Z owes **sachertorte** 11 points. **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 20 And holds these cards: D, J, V is owed 11 points by **nesta**. is owed 11 points by **Hal Briston**. is owed 9 points by **Dragoness**. is owed 14 points by **Uncommon Sense**. **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 4, 7, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), M (2), C, F, G, I, J, N, T, Z owes **sachertorte** 14 points. **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, T, Y I believe that **sachertorte** ’s V auction ends this morning. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/403 "2007-05-31T10:54:02Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] nesta offer #12: **USCDiver** , I will trade and I and a W for an A and a Q. [/QUOTE] No thanks, no need for another I ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/404 "2007-05-31T10:55:07Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > I believe that sachertorte’s V auction ends this morning. Indeed, I raise the bid to 41, for the V ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/405 "2007-05-31T12:16:47Z")
[QUOTE=Doctor Who] Doctor Who Offer #13: I will give Hal Briston Rule #6 (not show, but give) in exchange for a letter card of his choosing. [/QUOTE] I accept Doctor Who Offer #13 – I’ll take posession of Rule Slip #6, and give over an F Card. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/406 "2007-05-31T12:27:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] I accept Doctor Who Offer #13 – I’ll take posession of Rule Slip #6, and give over an F Card. [/QUOTE] Done and PMd ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/407 "2007-05-31T13:06:26Z")
Withdrawing all US offers on the table. Need to clean the slate and figure out just what the hell I’m trying to do here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/408 "2007-05-31T14:05:37Z")
‘V’ Auction Concluded: [QUOTE=USCDiver] Indeed, I raise the bid to 41, for the V [/QUOTE] Accept USCDiver bid of 41 points for the letter ‘V’ ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/409 "2007-05-31T14:11:08Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] ‘V’ Auction Concluded: Accept USCDiver bid of 41 points for the letter ‘V’ [/QUOTE] Done. Not sure if the delay counts as ‘auction sniping’ in this game. 🙂 **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 12, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: N (2), A, D, E, F, L, M, O, P, R, S **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 19, 20 And holds these cards: B (2), D, F, H, M, O, R, S, T, W, X, Y owes **sachertorte** 9 points. **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 6, 11, 14, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), A, B, D, E, G, N, O, R, T, U owes **sachertorte** 11 points. **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: 10, 20 And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: 3, 8, 9, 15 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 5, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A, B, C, D, G, J, K, O, R, U, W **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 And holds these cards: A (3), I (2), B, D, E, H, M, W, X, Z owes **sachertorte** 11 points. **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 20 And holds these cards: D, J is owed 11 points by **nesta**. is owed 11 points by **Hal Briston**. is owed 9 points by **Dragoness**. is owed 14 points by **Uncommon Sense**. is owed 41 points by **USCDiver**. **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 4, 7, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), M (2), C, F, G, I, J, N, T, Z owes **sachertorte** 14 points. **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, T, V, Y owes **sachertorte** 41 points. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/410 "2007-05-31T14:24:27Z")
I’m down to a ‘D’ and a ‘J’. Anyone want them? or maybe I should keep them and rename myself DJ sachertorte. I’d also like to solicit information about the mysterious letter ‘V’. Anyone with information (rule slips) about its value, I’d love to hear it. Also, I’d be interested in information about other letters I’ve sold. sachertorte final offer: a haiku in exhange for seeing a rule slip I have not seen already. Offer valid until I’ve seen all rules. Of course, I could wait for the conclusion of the game, but as I think we’ve already established, I’m not particularly patient. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/411 "2007-05-31T15:10:39Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Can we just do a one-for-one? Dragoness offer 16: for MadTheSwine, a look at rule 4 for a look at rule 12. [/QUOTE] Throw me a letter of your choice and I will accept. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/412 "2007-05-31T15:18:57Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Mad offer #3 Show me any 2 rules(except 10 or 20) I don’t have for all a view of all my rules (1,9,12,19) … Throw me a letter of your choice and I will accept. [/QUOTE] Er… let’s not. How about if I just Accept offer 3: rules 4 and 5 for all your rules? (This is on the last page. I won’t whine too much if you don’t want it to be binding anymore.) ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/413 "2007-05-31T15:24:17Z")
**nesta** , I could use an I. Anything I could interest you in? ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/414 "2007-05-31T15:48:20Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] I’m down to a ‘D’ and a ‘J’. Anyone want them? [/QUOTE] I’ll take them. Same price as before? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/415 "2007-05-31T16:00:46Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] I’ll take them. Same price as before? [/QUOTE] Thought we were limited to one each…has that changed? 'Cause I’ll be pretty ticked if that’s the case and I didn’t post the “I’ll take the ‘J’ if we can go back for seconds” post I considered posting earlier. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/416 "2007-05-31T16:07:15Z")
I am finding that I don’t have enough time to keep up with the game the way I would like to but I don’t want to drop out so (if \*\*chrisk \*\* will allow it), I propose a partnership. NAF partnership offer: The first player who accepts will pool all their property (rules and letter cards) with mine for a 51% 49% split of the end points. (I will take the 49%) From that point forward we would both have the power to accept and create any trades with the community property, with my new partner having final voting power. I am happy to take second place. This is capitalism after all, you don’t need to win, you just have to be successful. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/417 "2007-05-31T16:19:04Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Er… let’s not. How about if I just Accept offer 3: rules 4 and 5 for all your rules? (This is on the last page. I won’t whine too much if you don’t want it to be binding anymore.) [/QUOTE] I accept ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/418 "2007-05-31T16:53:11Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] I accept [/QUOTE] PMed. I’ll wait for **sachertorte** to come back and decide on who he (or she?) wants to sell each letter to, or rule tomorrow if there’s no word. Interesting idea **NAF**. As stated, it comes perilously close to the partnership option that I decided against at the start of the game. So, here’s a revised offer guideline. You, **NAF1138** , sign over all of your property, (rule slips you hold and letter cards,) to the party of the second part, (hereafter named the Senior Partner,) in exchange for a 49% share in the senior partners’ final submission portfolio. Senior partner ‘agrees in principle’ to listen to your suggestions regarding trades and take your opinion under advisement. (The previous sentence is not enforceable.) But you will have no true trading authority on his portfolio. (in addition to private strategy, I’ve decided, two players both having trading authority over the same assets is something that I don’t want to introduce for this game.) Hope you’re not too disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/419 "2007-05-31T17:07:35Z")
I accept NAF’s partnership agreement (as revised by chrisk) assuming NAF agrees to the proposed changes. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/420 "2007-05-31T17:17:11Z")
Okay, here’s my thinking. I didn’t want to sell letters to only a few people because I didn’t want to unbalance the game and negate the fun for everyone. On the other hand, I have a strong interest in making sure nesta and Hal have the assets they need so they can actually pay up! I feel that I have given all players sufficient time to buy a letter if interested. Since there doesn’t seem to be interest beyond nesta and Hal, I will submit to market forces and sell to them. Hal has indicated he would like the J. nesta indicated interest in both the J and the D. sachertorte’s not really an offer offer but it’s in blue so it must really be an offer: I will sell the letter ‘J’ to Hal for 5 points and sell the letter ‘D’ to nesta for 5 points and Hal will compensate nesta for jumping the queue by showing her a rule that she has not seen (nor holds). Offer valid on the condition that both Hal and nesta accept the offer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=22)