# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/441 "2007-05-31T21:22:32Z")

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**MadTheSwine,** I notice you’ve seen rule 10 now. Might you be interested in a B?  
Offer 17A: my B for MadTheSwine’s C  
or do you still need more rules before you decide?  
Offer 17B: a look at rules 13 and 18 for the C

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/442 "2007-05-31T21:44:17Z")

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> [@Doctor Who](#):
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> Doctor 1138 Corporation Offer #3: USCDiver - I will give you an R in exchange for a T. Again, as I mentioned in offer #2, I think the mutual benefits are obvious.

Accepted, I get an R, you get a T

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/443 "2007-05-31T21:48:12Z")

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USCDiver offer #23ish: For MadTheSwine: I will show you Rule 8 in exchange for one of your many S cards.

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/444 "2007-05-31T21:50:30Z")

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USCDiver Offer #24ish: for billyb0b, I will show you Rule 19 and 20 in exchange for your U card

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 31, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/445 "2007-05-31T22:08:25Z")

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[QUOTE=USCDiver]  
Accepted, I get an R, you get a T  
[/QUOTE]

done.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/446 "2007-06-01T16:02:08Z")

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sheesh, I spend all this willpower staying away from the dope all morning, and none of you guys even have any trades waiting for me? 😃

Oh well. Happy friday everyone!

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/447 "2007-06-02T01:10:00Z")

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Was it a holiday in Haggletown?

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**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/448 "2007-06-02T01:15:10Z")

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If so, let’s change that.

Hal Offer #14 for **USCDiver** : Trade you a U Card for an I Card?

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/449 "2007-06-02T01:31:36Z")

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[QUOTE=Hal Briston]  
If so, let’s change that.

Hal Offer #14 for **USCDiver** : Trade you a U Card for an I Card?  
[/QUOTE]

**USCDiver** , if you decide you want to take **Hal** up on this, my offer still stands:

> [@me](#):
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> nesta offer #12: USCDiver, I will trade and I and a W for an A and a Q.

So you could regain an I card and be up a U.

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/450 "2007-06-02T01:33:59Z")

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Oh, and **percypercy** hasn’t been active for quite some time I think. We might want to start talking sub or redistribution of some of those assets if we can’t get her (?) in here.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [June 2, 2007, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/451 "2007-06-02T03:38:14Z")

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[QUOTE=nesta]  
Oh, and **percypercy** hasn’t been active for quite some time I think. We might want to start talking sub or redistribution of some of those assets if we can’t get her (?) in here.  
[/QUOTE]

Whoops, forgot about her. **percypercy** asked for a sub out, and I messaged back asking her to confirm that. Never got a reply on the confirmation.

All sub applications welcome, at this point.

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**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/452 "2007-06-03T04:08:42Z")

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Has everyone lost interest, or are we all just afraid of the **Doctor Who / NAF1130** juggernaut?

To get things rolling again: I want an A, a Q, and to see rules 2, 3, and 8. Anyone want to make me an offer?

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**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/453 "2007-06-03T05:43:25Z")

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[QUOTE=nesta]  
Has everyone lost interest, or are we all just afraid of the **Doctor Who / NAF1130** juggernaut?  
[/quote]

I think most of us have lost interest - but, to set the record straight, we’re no juggernaut! We’re like Google - “do no evil!” or stylish like Apple. Definitely Doctor 1138 is no Microsoft-style corporation.

> [@](#):
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> To get things rolling again: I want an A, a Q, and to see rules 2, 3, and 8. Anyone want to make me an offer?

Doctor 1138 Offer #10: I’ll take your H and your E. In exchange, I’ll _give_ you rule 8 and rule 3. Also, you can have a J or a K. In addition, you have the choice of having me broadcast rule 2 to all players. (since I know it, but don’t actually possess it, so I can’t just trade it to you.)

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/454 "2007-06-03T05:45:14Z")

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I haven’t lost interest, but I’ve just about exhausted trading with the active players. I have several offers out there for players that haven’t made a post in a while, and to whom I’ve made nudgy PMs without reply.

I can only assume that like **percypercy** they’ve abandoned the game, but they haven’t let anyone know.

I say if you haven’t made or accepted an offer in the last 3 days your portfolio should be randomly distributed.

So what if I end up with duplicate rules? The truly active players have seen most of them anyway. This would just open up the ability for me to continue trading with the active people because they would once again have something I value (and vice versa).

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/455 "2007-06-03T10:12:25Z")

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[QUOTE=Doctor Who]

Doctor 1138 Offer #10: I’ll take your H and your E. In exchange, I’ll _give_ you rule 8 and rule 3. Also, you can have a J or a K. In addition, you have the choice of having me broadcast rule 2 to all players. (since I know it, but don’t actually possess it, so I can’t just trade it to you.)  
[/QUOTE]

Turned that into blue in my quote, since it wasn’t an acceptance.  
And, **USCDiver** , again I’ll take your remarks under advisement. Moving **percypercy** into probate quickly seems reasonable enough. May also come up with a tracker to see who else hasn’t been active lately. Still think that 3 days isn’t nearly enough.

What does anybody else think about this sort of thing? We’ve got about 11 days until the scheduled close of trading now.

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/456 "2007-06-03T10:15:04Z")

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[QUOTE=chrisk]  
What does anybody else think about this sort of thing?  
[/QUOTE]  
Since I seem to be stuck (the stuff I want is in the hands of two inactive players - **percypercy** and **billyb0b** ), I’d like to see something done to get the resources in play.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/457 "2007-06-03T10:53:02Z")

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[QUOTE=Priceguy]  
Since I seem to be stuck (the stuff I want is in the hands of two inactive players - **percypercy** and **billyb0b** ), I’d like to see something done to get the resources in play.  
[/QUOTE]

Okay, I’ve completed my analysis.

**percypercy** may well get probated today. I’ve sent **billyb0b** a warning - he hasn’t been able to get on the dope much, but I’m still going to give him until Tuesday before I declare his portfolio moribund.

Everybody else posted at least last Thursday - but **Uncommon Sense** , **Dragoness** , and **MadTheSwine** may get reminders that the game is still going on, and it’d be appreciated if they stuck their head in at least every few days.

Sound good?

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**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/458 "2007-06-03T11:05:06Z")

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Yup.

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**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/459 "2007-06-03T14:19:38Z")

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Sounds fair…

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**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\
**Post date:** [June 3, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/460 "2007-06-03T14:54:58Z")

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I still say that’s too much grace period, but if that’s the decision, I’ll go along with it.

The difference between this game and Mafia is that a ‘lurking player’ (to use the vernacular) in this game essentially hamstrings the whole process while in Mafia they just draw suspicion to themself and likely either get lynched or kicked out for inactivity, but the game can continue without him.

I miss the early days when everyone had something of value for everyone else and trades were being made left and right.

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