# Haggle - a game of trading and secrets **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136 "2007-05-22T21:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/481 "2007-06-04T06:22:09Z")
Hmmm, **Doctor Who** , I think I see where you’re going here, and I think we can both benefit from this trade: USCDiver offer 29: From Doctor Who I get an S, You get one of my O’s ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/482 "2007-06-04T06:23:59Z")
Psst, **chrisk** , notice the increase in offers and acceptances with percypercy’s portfolio probated out to the active players? Let’s get those others back into play too! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/483 "2007-06-04T06:41:40Z")
On reflection: Doctor 1138 Corporation withdraws ALL outstanding offers. Now, I don’t want to be the one to take my ball and go home, especially since I conducted the last successful trade (with **Dragoness** ), but I think things are getting a little silly. **USCDiver** Johnson is right! We need to slice up these idle portfolios\* and let us all see where we stand after that. It will either be no trading or a flurry of trading and then we’ll be done with it. So from here on out: Doctor 1138 Corporation is enacting a voluntarily halt on all trading for 48 hours. During this period, hopefully everyone will be accounted for or probated. - I think it’s too much to try and do it evenly. I would go random and let windfalls occur, but that’s obviously a choice for our dungeonmas---- er, for **chrisk**.[ul] [/ul] ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/484 "2007-06-04T06:58:19Z")
While I agree with the sentiment, **Doctor Who** it’s a little disingenuous of you to halt trading when you have roughly twice the resources of any other single player. You’re basically leaving me and **Dragoness** to stare at each other and twiddle our toes in the sand! **Hal** hasn’t made a post in 3 days, **Priceguy** ’s been around this page, but hasn’t made any efforts at true offers or counteroffers. Everyone else is gone baby gone! All that being said, I’m all for waiting to see what happens. Either the defunct players’ portfolios will be probated in time for some last minute wheeling and dealing or this thread will die a lonely death with 3 players. All previous USCDiver offers are hereby revoked ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/485 "2007-06-04T10:43:44Z")
**billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 12, 15, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 4, 10, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A (2), D (2), E (2), N (2), O (2), B, C, F, G, J, K, L, M, P, R, S, T, U, W Must give 49% to **NAF1138** **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20 And holds these cards: B (2), D (2), F, H, M, N, O, P, R, S, W, X, Y owes **sachertorte** 9 points. **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 6, 11, 14, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 And holds these cards: G (2), L (2), T (2), A, B, D, E, J, K, O, R, U owes **sachertorte** 16 points. **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 18, 19 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 20 And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), F (2), H (2), C, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 15, 19, 20 And holds these cards: NONE. Gets 49% from **Doctor Who** **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 14, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19 And holds these cards: A (3), D (2), I (2), B, E, H, M, W, X, Z owes **sachertorte** 16 points. **percypercy** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 3, 6, 13, 14, 15, 18 And holds these cards: NONE. **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 3, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, D, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 20 And holds these cards: NONE. is owed 16 points by **nesta**. is owed 16 points by **Hal Briston**. is owed 9 points by **Dragoness**. is owed 14 points by **Uncommon Sense**. is owed 41 points by **USCDiver**. **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 4, 7, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 13, 20 And holds these cards: I (2), L (2), M (2), C, F, G, H, J, N, T, Z owes **sachertorte** 14 points. **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: O (2), Q (2), A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, R, U, V, Y owes **sachertorte** 41 points. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/486 "2007-06-04T13:45:46Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] Probate results: **percypercy** ’s portfolio has been divided up. **Dragoness** gets: a D and a U **Doctor Who** gets: an E and rule 6 **Hal Briston** gets: a G and a K **MadTheSwine** gets: an F and rule 18 **nesta** gets: rule 14 **Priceguy** gets: a D and rule 3 **Uncommon Sense** gets: an H and an I **USCDiver** gets: an O and a Q I’ll handle any rule PMs and post a full update ASAP. [/QUOTE] What?! Nothing for me? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/487 "2007-06-04T15:21:51Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] While I agree with the sentiment, **Doctor Who** it’s a little disingenuous of you to halt trading when you have roughly twice the resources of any other single player. You’re basically leaving me and **Dragoness** to stare at each other and twiddle our toes in the sand! [/QUOTE] I agree, and I had a counter-offer for **Doctor Who** too, and a few more for **USCDiver**. But, fair enough- If another portfolio is being probated (er, is it?) I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/488 "2007-06-04T16:36:43Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] I agree, and I had a counter-offer for **Doctor Who** too, and a few more for **USCDiver**. But, fair enough- If another portfolio is being probated (er, is it?) I’ll wait. [/QUOTE] Well, now hang on you two - what exactly am I doing that’s disingenuous? Sure, I have twice the resources - I’m also splitting my take in half. I know enough rules to know that I do have to make more trades before I can come close to winning (or even competing in) this game. Nothing disingenuous about openly and frankly stating that I’m on hold and why. Honestly, it’s a little silly to think that between the three of us active players, we can make all the trades that we need to be satisfied. So, with all due respect, I don’t intend to abandon the game or end all trading, and it’s a little ridiculous for the two of you to feel miffed by my actions. Better to feel irritated at the people who signed up and then abandoned the game. Let me reiterate, that, at this point, I think we’re stuck in a “hurry up and wait, let’s see what happens” standoff. ---
**Author:** ![Dragoness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c0e974/32.png) [@Dragoness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragoness)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/489 "2007-06-04T17:34:13Z")
[QUOTE=Doctor Who] Well, now hang on you two - what exactly am I doing that’s disingenuous? Sure, I have twice the resources - I’m also splitting my take in half. [/QUOTE] Just FTR, I’m not annoyed at you at all, **Doctor**. However, you must admit that that’s not entirely true- having twice the resources and splitting your take in half will net a lot more points than having half the resources, simply because more letters means more point-getting combos- you can easily have more than twice the combinations that you would have with half the letters. Oh dear. I just reread that sentence, and I made my OWN head spin. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/490 "2007-06-04T18:03:19Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] **Hal** hasn’t made a post in 3 days, [/QUOTE] Check again – I posted yesterday. I admit, it wasn’t an offer or anything, but I _am_ still here… ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/491 "2007-06-04T18:56:08Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] **Priceguy** ’s been around this page, but hasn’t made any efforts at true offers or counteroffers. [/QUOTE] Huh? I’m trying, and I would have accepted **Dragoness** ’s offer if the evil corporation hadn’t beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/492 "2007-06-04T19:55:13Z")
Well, if I learned nothing else from reading through Mafia/Werewolf, it’s that throwing around baseless accusations will get silent players involved! Glad to see we got some of you guys back involved again! Even old **billyb0b** messaged me to say he was sorting through the last several days! ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/493 "2007-06-05T12:39:51Z")
[QUOTE=Dragoness] Dragoness offer 18B: Uncommon Sense, how about a look at rule 5 for a look at rule 2 or 17 (your choice)? [/QUOTE] Accepted; Let’s go chronologically with rule number 2 shall we? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/494 "2007-06-05T12:45:35Z")
US offer #10A; **Priceguy** , Swapsies, I offer you for a look at Rule 17 for a look at Rule 16. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/495 "2007-06-05T12:52:46Z")
US offer #10B; **USCDiver** ; I will gladly trade looksies at Rule 19 for for Rule 17. Let’s go people!! It’s been 15 minutes since my first post today and no-ones accepted any of my offers yet! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/496 "2007-06-05T12:54:23Z")
Anyone have any vowels they need to get rid of. I’ve got some consonants here that may be expendable. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/497 "2007-06-05T13:05:35Z")
If **billybob** decides to call it quits, I got first dibs on one of his A’s. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/498 "2007-06-05T13:26:18Z")
Rules pmed to **dragoness** and **Uncommon Sense** **billyb0b** Holds rules: 3, 8, 13, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 12, 16 And holds these cards: A (3), B, D, P, Q, R, U **Doctor Who** Holds rules: 1, 3, 8, 9, 12, 15, 16 Has seen rules: 2, 4, 6, 10, 13, 14, 17, 19, 20 And holds these cards: A (2), D (2), N (2), O (2), B, C, E, F, G, J, K, L, M, P, R, S, T, U, W Must give 49% to **NAF1138** **Dragoness** Holds rules: 4, 5, 13, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20 And holds these cards: B (2), D, F, H, M, N, O, R, S, W, X, Y owes **sachertorte** 9 points. **Hal Briston** Holds rules: 1, 5, 6, 11, 14, 15 Has seen rules: 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), T (2), A, B, D, E, G, J, O, R, U owes **sachertorte** 16 points. **MadTheSwine** Holds rules: 1, 9, 12, 19 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 20 And holds these cards: S (3), E (2), H (2), C, F, K, V **NAF1138** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 15, 19, 20 And holds these cards: NONE. Gets 49% from **Doctor Who** **nesta** Holds rules: 1, 10, 11, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 And holds these cards: A (3), D (2), I (2), B, E, H, M, W, X, Z owes **sachertorte** 16 points. **percypercy** Holds rules: 3, 6, 14, 18 Has seen rules: 13, 15 And holds these cards: D (2), E, F, G, H, I, K, O, Q, U **Priceguy** Holds rules: 2, 7, 13, 16 Has seen rules: 4, 5, 10, 11, 14 And holds these cards: F (2), P (2), C, E, G, M, N, O, R, Y **sachertorte** Holds rules: NONE. Has seen rules: 4, 5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 20 And holds these cards: NONE. is owed 16 points by **nesta**. is owed 16 points by **Hal Briston**. is owed 9 points by **Dragoness**. is owed 14 points by **Uncommon Sense**. is owed 41 points by **USCDiver**. **Uncommon Sense** Holds rules: 2, 4, 7, 10, 14, 17 Has seen rules: 1, 5, 13, 20 And holds these cards: L (2), M (2), C, F, G, I, J, N, T, Z owes **sachertorte** 14 points. **USCDiver** Holds rules: 2, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18 And holds these cards: A, C, D, E, G, I, J, K, O, P, Q, R, V, Y owes **sachertorte** 41 points. There’s no ‘dibs’ on portfolio probate. **MadTheswine** may be going into probate tomorrow. And - does anybody want to register an opinion on if I should stick with the probate precedent I set with **percypercy** , (just come up with an allocation mix as quickly as possible and act on it,) or try something fancier, involving player participation before settling on a final division of assets? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/499 "2007-06-05T15:16:46Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] **MadTheswine** may be going into probate tomorrow. And - does anybody want to register an opinion on if I should stick with the probate precedent I set with **percypercy** , (just come up with an allocation mix as quickly as possible and act on it,) or try something fancier, involving player participation before settling on a final division of assets? [/QUOTE] I say set up the pieces for silent auction! That would make it fun. Give everyone 24 hours to figure out how many of their total end points they are willing to give up in exchange for an item and pm the bids to you. The highest bidder gets the letter, rule etc. Anything that doesnt get a bid gets burned. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136/500 "2007-06-05T15:26:31Z")
Oooo, I like…good one, **NAF**! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-a-game-of-trading-and-secrets/405136.md?page=26)