# Haggle: St.Valentine's Day **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 22, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232 "2011-02-22T15:49:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/301 "2011-03-06T06:21:57Z")
**Game ends 3/9 at 9pm.** **Antinor01** Holds rules: 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12 Has seen rules: 2, 5, 9, 11, 18, 19 And holds these items: 1 Pink Rose, 2 White Rose, 1 Gold Ring, 1 Platinum Necklace, 6 Red Conversation Heart, 1 White Conversation Heart **Mahaloth** Holds rules: 5, 13, 15, 16, 18 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 6, 12, 14, 17 And holds these items: 2 White Rose, 1 Silver Ring, 1 Silver Necklace, 1 Pink Conversation Heart, 6 Red Conversation Heart, 1 White Conversation Heart **NAF1138** Holds rules: 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 17 Has seen rules: 3, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20 And holds these items: 3 Pink Rose, 1 Red Rose, 4 White Rose, 1 Vase of water, 1 Be Mine Heart, 1 Forever Yours Heart, 3 Red Conversation Heart, 1 White Conversation Heart owes **The Bank** 3 points. Has agreed not to use the Forever Yours Heart against **Oredigger77** **Oredigger77** Holds rules: 2, 5, 9, 11, 18, 19 Has seen rules: 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20 And holds these items: 1 Pink Rose, 1 Red Rose, 3 Vase of water, 1 Gold Earring, 1 Platinum Earring, 1 Silver Earring, 2 Pink Conversation Heart, 5 Red Conversation Heart, 3 White Conversation Heart owes **The Bank** 5 points. owes **Scuba\_Ben** 10 points. Has a deal of immunity against the Forever Yours Heart from **NAF1138** **Pedescribe** Holds rules: 10, 11, 14, 15, 19, 20 Has seen rules: 2, 5, 9 And holds these items: 1 Pink Rose, 1 Red Rose, 4 White Rose, 1 Platinum Ring, 7 Pink Conversation Heart, 1 Red Conversation Heart, 1 Box of Chocolates owes **The Bank** 60 points. Holds a second copy of Rule 10 **Scuba\_Ben** Holds rules: 3, 6, 8, 9, 13, 14, 17, 20 Has seen rules: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11, 12, 15, 16, 18 And holds these items: 1 Gold Necklace, 2 Pink Conversation Heart, 8 Red Conversation Heart, 2 White Conversation Heart is owed 10 points by **Oredigger77**. owes **The Bank** 63 points. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/302 "2011-03-06T13:05:51Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > For Digger. Sweet still plenty of time to get those last minute deals in. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/303 "2011-03-06T13:38:57Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Sweet still plenty of time to get those last minute deals in. To be clear, this was the posted end time. I was re-posting because you didn’t know when it was. I’m not extending the time or anything like that. No special treatment for you. [Don’t take that the wrong way, but something tells me you will. 😉] ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/304 "2011-03-07T15:11:24Z")
\*\*Digger offer30; Antinor I’ll trade you 1 pink conversation heart and one red conversation heart for you pink rose and 2 white roses \*\* ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/305 "2011-03-07T16:26:09Z")
ok, I have a deal for you pede, one that is highly mutually beneficial. I know you have no reason to trust me per se, but I haven’t screwed anyone over in the game yet, and I don’t plan to start now. **NAF offer pedescribe1: I will give you rule six and my forever yours heart, in exchange for your red rose and immunity from the forever yours heart.** Let me explain fully what this offer is before you respond. The forever yours heart is a weapon, but by itself isn’t worth anything. For it to be of any value, you have to have either rule 6 OR the box of chocolates. Because you would have both (after the trade), it will give you the ability to take 12 points off any other player’s score, while simultaneously adding six points to your own score. Right now you are the only person in the game who can actually gain points while at the same time using the heart as a weapon to take 12 off someone else. The rose is worth exactly 8 points to me, has no value for you and the immunity keeps me in the game because I would hope you use the heart on Oredigger as he is currently far and away the points leader in the game. I think this is not only a fair trade, it is actually slanted slightly in your favor, but only slightly. What do you say? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/306 "2011-03-07T17:07:32Z")
Yeah, I think pede and I overbid for our items. Haggle veterans, how am I doing for my first try at this game? pede, there’s not a whole lot I can do about you holding rule 10 hostage, but I can try: Ben 15: Will show pedescribe rule 3 in exchange for pede giving me one copy of rule 10. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/307 "2011-03-07T17:36:22Z")
Wow. NAF is just completely throwing aside discretion there, ain’t he? I mean wow. What other game can you explain your moves, 3 moves out? Here I was, thinking the game was going sideways. Looks like we are going Zig Zag. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/308 "2011-03-07T17:38:41Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Yeah, I think pede and I overbid for our items. Haggle veterans, how am I doing for my first try at this game? A comment in general, the game is better when the timing [by the Mod ☹] is better, and all players are fully active. However, I think you are getting the “good hurt” that haggle brings. 😃 \*And that’s why you \*\*WILL \*\*come back for more. \*It’s why I decided to not wait for Chrisk anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/309 "2011-03-07T18:55:59Z")
Just as a quick note to everyone before they jump all over helping NAF to screw me over. I just reran the numbers and without seeing rule 10 NAF and I are currently tied and he’s go a 12 point swing coming his was at the end of the game. Maybe someone with rule 10, hi Pede, can clarify but I don’t see how I’m any where near the unapproachable lead that NAF has been claiming. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/310 "2011-03-07T19:01:23Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Just as a quick note to everyone before they jump all over helping NAF to screw me over. I just reran the numbers and without seeing rule 10 NAF and I are currently tied and he’s go a 12 point swing coming his was at the end of the game. > > Maybe someone with rule 10, hi Pede, can clarify but I don’t see how I’m any where near the unapproachable lead that NAF has been claiming. You aren’t giving yourself the rule 18 bonus. At least that is my guess. The last time I did a calculation was right after the auction, but unless things have changed very drastically and I haven’t noticed, you are a good 20 points or more ahead of over half the game, and at the time the auction ended you were 15 ahead of me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/311 "2011-03-07T19:06:07Z")
Antinor, are you in this game? Please accept my offer! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/312 "2011-03-07T20:03:31Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Just as a quick note to everyone before they jump all over helping NAF to screw me over. I’m not jumping on NAF’s bandwagon. Yet. If it comes down to you vs. NAF, I might simply sell out to the highest bidder. I’m a mercenary and proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/313 "2011-03-07T20:53:51Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m not jumping on NAF’s bandwagon. Yet. > > If it comes down to you vs. NAF, I might simply sell out to the highest bidder. I’m a mercenary and proud of it. Out of curiosity, is there anything I have that you want? The reality is, you are in the hole by about 20 points, I don’t know that there is any business that I can do with you. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/314 "2011-03-07T21:02:33Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You aren’t giving yourself the rule 18 bonus. Maybe but I haven’t seen the definition of what a set is so that could be the difference but you still have a 12 point swing coming. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/315 "2011-03-07T21:26:45Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Maybe but I haven’t seen the definition of what a set is so that could be the difference but you still have a 12 point swing coming. which still puts me behind you ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/316 "2011-03-07T21:37:11Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Out of curiosity, is there anything I have that you want? The reality is, you are in the hole by about 20 points, I don’t know that there is any business that I can do with you. At the moment, I can’t think of anything useful. I started to think of something, but I realized it would be useless. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/317 "2011-03-07T21:38:57Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Maybe but I haven’t seen the definition of what a set is so that could be the difference but you still have a 12 point swing coming. Are you sure of that? If my list of what the rules say is numbered correctly, you have seen that info. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/318 "2011-03-07T23:03:40Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > At the moment, I can’t think of anything useful. I started to think of something, but I realized it would be useless. Well let me know. I am happy to try to help you out. I was thinking maybe some multi people trades with you me and someone else, but it would take some negotiating to get there. Obviously I would like rule 3 from you, and roses from other people, as these things have 0 value to you guys I would be happy to get rid of other stuff to get them from you. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/319 "2011-03-07T23:15:22Z")
Well, no-one took me up on my offer, so… **I burn both my slips of Rule 10** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232/320 "2011-03-07T23:29:16Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Are you sure of that? If my list of what the rules say is numbered correctly, you have seen that info. I’ve seen the three of a kind rule but not a set rule. I figure that’s what was in rule 10 but I guess we’ll never know. So Pede do you want to do some trading? I’m very interested in your roses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-st-valentines-day/572232.md?page=17)