# Haggle: The Dragon's hoard \[closed\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [April 27, 2008, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068 "2008-04-27T10:38:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/341 "2008-05-08T01:20:09Z")

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[QUOTE=phi2dao]  
**ArizonaTeach** , glad you liked the idea! Question though, are we merging inventories, and if so, can you PM me what you know? 🙂

all my offers have been withdrawn  
[/QUOTE]

As I understand the deal proppsed, the inventories will be consolidated, yes, and I will PM both team members with the full list of all rules held or seen by either signatory.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/342 "2008-05-08T01:26:51Z")

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Okay, I’m off to bed. Sorry we couldn’t get the merger quite finished tonight, but I’ll be checking in early tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/343 "2008-05-08T01:34:12Z")

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I strongly suggest that anyone trading with Arizona Teach and phidao be very careful. They have almost all of the rules between them and have a monopoly on rules 20 and 22 and three of 5 potions as well a large amount of coin. I will be traveling most of tomorrow and Friday. I hope the game will not be won by AT and phidao when I come back. :dubious:

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/344 "2008-05-08T02:14:01Z")

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Details of the merger:

**phi** and I will **not** be permitted to talk privately - any strategizing we do will have to be done publically.

The name of the team, if there is no objection, is **phi/Teach**

Trades can be proposed by either member of the team, but can only be accepted if **both** members agree to them (unless one or the other waives that right)

With that in mind:

**Antinor** - This is a good news/bad news situation for you. We no longer need your potion. However, we are willing to take it off of your hands…for a price. Any trade made for that potion must contain a look at either rule #5 or rule #11. We will accept **NO** copper or gold in trade (coins or items). You must also pledge \*\*not \*\* to form an alliance with another player. As a matter of good faith, we will include a look at rule #20 - which will explain what we’ve been shooting for and give you some other important information. This is not an offer in and of itself - you need to make the first offer.

(aside to **phi** - I already cleared with **chrisk** any concerns that might arise regarding **Antinor’s** potion in addition to the ones we already have - we’re good)

**Santo Rugger** - you are interested in Rule#21, whether you realize it or not. We are interested in Rules #2, 6, 12, and 13. We will show you our Rule #21 for two of your rules. We are also very, very interested in your diamond gem.

**oredigger** - we are certainly open to trading off our extra grey wand. However, we will need to see rule #15 first. I offer a simple trade of rule #20 for rule #15.

**meeko** - we need to lighten our load. Would you consider trading 2 of your platinum pieces for 4 of our gold?

**phi** - once you see the rules, if you still have any questions about what our long term plans are, ask away (subtly, of course). If you feel any of these trades are **not** inour interest, let me know.

**sinjin** - You’re a meanie. 😛

Assume I aprove all these trades. Once **phi** gives the OK, they are active.

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**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/345 "2008-05-08T02:53:29Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
I strongly suggest that anyone trading with Arizona Teach and phidao be very careful. They have almost all of the rules between them and have a monopoly on rules 20 and 22 and three of 5 potions as well a large amount of coin. I will be traveling most of tomorrow and Friday. I hope the game will not be won by AT and phidao when I come back. :dubious:  
[/QUOTE]

In the same spirit, I recommend that all trading stops until we see what Phi/Teach has, from Chrisk’s next update. Trading now, while this team, or any team is in a forming stage make all single players incredibly vulernable.

Untill an inventory update finalizing Phi/Teach formation, I’m not making or taking trades.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/346 "2008-05-08T02:54:02Z")

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[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]  
Details of the merger:

**phi** and I will **not** be permitted to talk privately - any strategizing we do will have to be done publically.

The name of the team, if there is no objection, is **phi/Teach**

Trades can be proposed by either member of the team, but can only be accepted if **both** members agree to them (unless one or the other waives that right)

With that in mind:

**Antinor** - This is a good news/bad news situation for you. We no longer need your potion. However, we are willing to take it off of your hands…for a price. Any trade made for that potion must contain a look at either rule #5 or rule #11. We will accept **NO** copper or gold in trade (coins or items). You must also pledge \*\*not \*\* to form an alliance with another player. As a matter of good faith, we will include a look at rule #20 - which will explain what we’ve been shooting for and give you some other important information. This is not an offer in and of itself - you need to make the first offer.

(aside to **phi** - I already cleared with **chrisk** any concerns that might arise regarding **Antinor’s** potion in addition to the ones we already have - we’re good)

**Santo Rugger** - you are interested in Rule#21, whether you realize it or not. We are interested in Rules #2, 6, 12, and 13. We will show you our Rule #21 for two of your rules. We are also very, very interested in your diamond gem.

**oredigger** - we are certainly open to trading off our extra grey wand. However, we will need to see rule #15 first. I offer a simple trade of rule #20 for rule #15.

**meeko** - we need to lighten our load. Would you consider trading 2 of your platinum pieces for 4 of our gold?

**phi** - once you see the rules, if you still have any questions about what our long term plans are, ask away (subtly, of course). If you feel any of these trades are **not** inour interest, let me know.

**sinjin** - You’re a meanie. 😛

Assume I aprove all these trades. Once **phi** gives the OK, they are active.  
[/QUOTE]

\*\*I rest my case! They are trying to lay down the rules for the rest of the game. Beware. \*\*

**Oredigger** I know you know how valuable rule number 15 is, don’t sell it cheap.

In regards to your offer to **Meeko phy/Teach** : feeling a bit top-heavy there? :dubious: Hehehe wonder why that is?

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**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/347 "2008-05-08T02:55:57Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
\*\*I rest my case! They are trying to lay down the rules for the rest of the game. Beware. \*\*

**Oredigger** I know you know how valuable rule number 15 is, don’t sell it cheap.

In regards to your offer to **Meeko phy/Teach** : feeling a bit top-heavy there? :dubious: Hehehe wonder why that is?  
[/QUOTE]

I can tell you exactly why, for a price.

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/348 "2008-05-08T02:59:29Z")

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[QUOTE=Antinor01]  
I can tell you exactly why, for a price.  
[/QUOTE]  
It was a rhetorical question. I know already. 🙂

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/349 "2008-05-08T03:27:59Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
\*\*I rest my case! They are trying to lay down the rules for the rest of the game. Beware. \*\*

**Oredigger** I know you know how valuable rule number 15 is, don’t sell it cheap.

In regards to your offer to **Meeko phy/Teach** : feeling a bit top-heavy there? :dubious: Hehehe wonder why that is?  
[/QUOTE]  
Man, you’re gettin’ snippy there, Mr. “I want all copies of Rule 16!” 😉

If **Oredigger** wants the Grey Wand, he shouldn’t have a problem with showing Rule #15…

We’re at 55 and counting…! Would **you** be interested in taking some gold off our hands, **sinjin**?

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/350 "2008-05-08T03:30:06Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
It was a rhetorical question. I know already. 🙂  
[/QUOTE]  
Actually, that’s very, very interesting, as I know for a fact you haven’t seen the particular rule that I’m looking at. Methinks there is more to this than either of us know.

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/351 "2008-05-08T03:35:00Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
I strongly suggest that anyone trading with Arizona Teach and phidao be very careful. They have almost all of the rules between them and have a monopoly on rules 20 and 22 and three of 5 potions as well a large amount of coin.  
[/QUOTE]  
I’d also like to point out that between the two of us, we only have 14 rules. **Oredigger** , by himself, has 13, as does **Meeko**. \*\*We \*\* have 46 coin, to \*\*your \*\* 39 :dubious:…I wonder if someone is trying to cause a distraction…! 😉

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/352 "2008-05-08T03:36:12Z")

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[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]  
Man, you’re gettin’ snippy there, Mr. “I want all copies of Rule 16!” 😉

If **Oredigger** wants the Grey Wand, he shouldn’t have a problem with showing Rule #15…

We’re at 55 and counting…! Would **you** be interested in taking some gold off our hands, **sinjin**?  
[/QUOTE]  
But you didn’t offer him the grey wand for rule #15 did you? You want him to show you rule#15 before you even consider a trade.

And you and phi have rules #20 21 22 locked between you and haven’t been willing to share naught but 21 with anyone. Pot/kettle much? 🙂

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/353 "2008-05-08T03:46:31Z")

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And now AT is playing numbers games. Yes they have only 46 coins to my 39. But what is the value of each coin? And what is the value of their potions? and their wands? and their jewels? and their jewelry? What is the sum?

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/354 "2008-05-08T03:55:14Z")

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[QUOTE=sinjin]  
But you didn’t offer him the grey wand for rule #15 did you? You want him to show you rule#15 before you even consider a trade.

And you and phi have rules #20 21 22 locked between you and haven’t been willing to share naught but 21 with anyone. Pot/kettle much? 🙂  
[/QUOTE]  
I don’t want to bicker about this, because this **is** a game, but if you’ll look back, you’ll see I offered to trade rule #15 for rule #20, so that pretty much negates both your arguments there…as for playing a numbers game, you’re forgetting that everything we have will be divided in half. And there are a LOT of rules that we don’t have, so who knows what the value is? As of right now, you’re slaughtering us, despite your claims we have “almost every rule” (which is patently not true!) You’re sitting pretty with a LOT more coins than anyone else…so…you wanna trade?

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**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/355 "2008-05-08T04:01:40Z")

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Tell you what…  
**sinjin** - We’ll give you a look at Rule #22 for a look at your Rule #16

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/356 "2008-05-08T04:06:14Z")

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[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]  
I don’t want to bicker about this, because this **is** a game, but if you’ll look back, you’ll see I offered to trade rule #15 for rule #20, so that pretty much negates both your arguments there…as for playing a numbers game, you’re forgetting that everything we have will be divided in half. And there are a LOT of rules that we don’t have, so who knows what the value is? As of right now, you’re slaughtering us, despite your claims we have “almost every rule” (which is patently not true!) You’re sitting pretty with a LOT more coins than anyone else…so…you wanna trade?  
[/QUOTE]  
Well not to be a stickler but your offer of 15 vs 20 before any other trade does not negate either of my arguments. But yes I am willing to trade. Make me an offer I can’t refuse. 🆒

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/357 "2008-05-08T04:22:01Z")

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Since you are concerned about how many coins I have I offer;

sinjin#6: phi/teach 17 of my copper coins for 4 of your gold coins.

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**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/358 "2008-05-08T10:20:53Z")

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Good morning.  
I’m still waiting on **phi2dao** to post an approval of the partnership charter specifications that **ArizonaTeach** laid down in post 344. Once that is done, team **phi/Teach** can be officially formed.

**sinjin** , I don’t see anything in post 344 that is infringing on my perogatives or claiming powers that players can’t have, (‘laying down the rules for the rest of the game.’) She (?) was clarifying a few things regarding the details of the partnership agreement and the rules that the members will still be expected to operate under, and sending out a whole bunch of statements of intent regarding the new corporation’s trading policy.

Of course, lobbying other players to boycott a powerful rival is always a valid strategy, as long as it doesn’t involve behaviour that’s inappropriate on the board or here in the games forum.

Any questions?

An update, with the partnership still waiting on **phi2dao** ’s signoff

**Antinor01**  
Holds scrolls: 5, 7, 11, 17, 19  
Has seen scrolls: 1, 14, 18, 21  
And holds these treasures: 24 Copper pieces, 15 Electrum pieces, 2 Garnet gems, 1 Copper bracelet with peridot, 1 Platinum necklace with agate, 1 Green potion

**ArizonaTeach**  
Holds scrolls: 7, 19, 20, 21, 22  
Has seen scrolls: 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 14, 17, 18  
And holds these treasures: 1 Copper piece, 5 Electrum pieces, 2 Gold pieces, 12 Silver pieces, 1 Agate gem, 1 Zircon gem, 1 Silver necklace with lapis, 1 Blue potion, 1 Red potion, 1 Gray wand  
Offered to merge with **phi2dao**

**Meeko**  
Holds scrolls: 1, 9, 10, 13, 14  
Has seen scrolls: 2, 3, 5, 8, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21  
And holds these treasures: 12 Copper pieces, 1 Electrum piece, 6 Gold pieces, 4 Platinum Pieces, 10 Silver pieces, 1 Ruby gem, 1 Silver bracelet with tanzanite

**MHaye**  
Holds scrolls: 1, 2, 6, 8, 11  
Has seen scrolls: 7, 13, 14, 15, 18, 19  
And holds these treasures: 7 Gold pieces, 3 Platinum Pieces, 5 Silver pieces, 1 Obsidian gem, 1 Peridot gem, 1 Topaz gem, 1 Electrum neclace with zircon, 1 Black wand

**Oredigger77**  
Holds scrolls: 14, 15, 17, 18  
Has seen scrolls: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 19  
And holds these treasures: 5 Copper pieces, 5 Platinum Pieces, 8 Silver pieces, 1 Gold bracelet with citrine, 1 Gold earring with emerald, 2 Silver earrings with carnelian

**phi2dao**  
Holds scrolls: 8, 9, 20, 21, 22  
Has seen scrolls: 3, 4, 5, 7  
And holds these treasures: 10 Gold pieces, 15 Silver pieces, 1 Electrum bracelet with malachite, 1 Platinum ring with ruby, 1 Yellow potion, 1 Gray wand  
In merge negotiations with **ArizonaTeach**

**Santo Rugger**  
Holds scrolls: 2, 3, 6, 12, 13  
Has seen scrolls: 8, 18  
And holds these treasures: 12 Copper pieces, 9 Electrum pieces, 1 Sapphire gem, 1 Diamond gem, 1 Lapis gem, 1 White potion

**sinjin**  
Holds scrolls: 2, 4, 16, 16  
Has seen scrolls: 1, 3, 6, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19  
And holds these treasures: 25 Copper pieces, 10 Electrum pieces, 3 Platinum Pieces, 1 Silver piece, 1 Malachite gem, 1 Copper necklace with sapphire, 1 Gold necklace with onyx, 1 Black wand

**Thing Fish**  
Holds scrolls: 3, 4, 5, 10, 12, 15, 18  
Has seen scrolls: 2, 8, 9, 13, 14, 16, 21  
And holds these treasures: 21 Copper pieces, 9 Silver pieces, 1 Copper ring with diamond, 1 Gold earring with emerald

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/359 "2008-05-08T12:38:23Z")

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> [@](#):
>
> sinjin, I don’t see anything in post 344 that is infringing on my perogatives or claiming powers that players can’t have, (‘laying down the rules for the rest of the game.’) She (?) was clarifying a few things regarding the details of the partnership agreement and the rules that the members will still be expected to operate under, and sending out a whole bunch of statements of intent regarding the new corporation’s trading policy.
> 
> Of course, lobbying other players to boycott a powerful rival is always a valid strategy, as long as it doesn’t involve behaviour that’s inappropriate on the board or here in the games forum.
> 
> Any questions?

Wow; I didn’t think I said anything out of line or. I didn’t mean to imply that phi/teach were infringing on your perogatives or claiming powers they didn’t have. I was commenting strongly on the new corporation’s trading policies. I will say no more.

sinjin#6 withdrawn

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**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haggle-the-dragons-hoard-closed/447068/360 "2008-05-08T12:39:47Z")

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EBWOP: add the word inappropriate to the end of that first sentence please.

Now I will say not more. 🙂

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