# Haha- fuck you Oafrah! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606 "2007-10-30T18:25:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/41 "2007-10-30T19:52:08Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Then the owner is still responsible. The owner cannot escape responsibility just by saying she trusted an employee. [/quote] and then takes the responsible action of dismissing the employee and taking steps to correct the situation > [@](#): > > Oprah only tries to do “something good” if it involves her own aggrandizement. She wanted her name in big letters but she didn’t really care or want to be informed about what was going on there. She only made this grovelling apology because she was afraid of what would happen to her own image. you have proof that she only takes action when it’s public? Look, I’m not a fan of the woman, but I still don’t get the venom at her because she attempted to do something good and some one she hired did something bad. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/42 "2007-10-30T19:53:00Z")
So what is it Oprah is actually supposed to do that she didn’t? Run the school herself? Have spies and overseers and hidden cameras all over the place? If there were signs she missed in hiring bad people, or hiring people who she should have known were not good enough, that’s worth pitting, but there isn’t any indication of that as far as I know. I’ve never been an Oprah fan, but you’re coming across as an asshole who is gleeful at what happened down there because you didn’t like Oprah and this gives you an excuse to talk shit about her. If you’re going to pit her and say what a horrible person she is, do everybody else the favor of having a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/43 "2007-10-30T19:54:40Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] I don’t know, but this ones on you. [/QUOTE] really? huh. when you seemed to not notice the glaring one by **Q.E.D.** it seemed most likely you also wouldn’t notice another glaring one. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/44 "2007-10-30T19:54:47Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] thanks! 🙂 [/QUOTE] Hm. Refuse to be baited, do ya? Ok, you win this round, **Wee Bairn** …but I’ll be back…oh yes, I’ll be back! I still think you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/45 "2007-10-30T19:56:19Z")
**ddg** , you are not getting my point. No I don’t think it is sensible for someone in Chicago to be able to know of the day to day affairs of a school in SA. My point is, don’t claim you are, which she does. And do you know much about child abuse, like how long it takes on average for someon to run from it? In the time it took to come to that, no one at the school got word to Oafrah that there was a girl or girls becoming withdrawn, or whatever signs there are? Girls are beaten and no other school teachers or admins get word of it? As for the luxuries, you can help someone overcome poverty merely by providing them a school and textbooks and a safe place to learn- I don’t see where 300 TC sheets come into play. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/46 "2007-10-30T19:56:26Z")
Oh, fuck. This thread’s going to go on forever isn’t it? **Wee Bairn** against the fucking world! What a bore. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/47 "2007-10-30T19:57:29Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] Hm. Refuse to be baited, do ya? Ok, you win this round, **Wee Bairn** …but I’ll be back…oh yes, I’ll be back! I still think you’re wrong. [/QUOTE] I shamefully admit I didn’t get the Algonquin reference though 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/48 "2007-10-30T20:00:11Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] No CEO claims on a friggin daily basis to know the inner workings of their company. She does. I’ll find quotes showing this shortly. [/quote] [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16435995/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16435995/) > [@](#): > > Winfrey, who does not have children, said she was building a home for herself on the campus to spend time with the girls and be involved in their education. So, she says she’ll be there _sometimes_. That’s a far cry from promising to know their inner workings on a daily basis. That’s my cite. Where’s yours? > [@Wee Bairn](#): > > Again, if she said “I don’t know what goes on over there, I just write the check”, I’d have no issue. ??? But…You’re Pitting her for not knowing what was going on. But now you’re saying, “If she said ‘I dunno what goes on’,” you’d be fine with that? And you presumably wouldn’t have Pitted her? My head hurts. Bring Lemon Pledge. > [@Wee Bairn](#): > > My point is, don’t claim you are, which she does. Annnnd…? Hope that chugging sound I hear is the sound of you working Google overtime. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/49 "2007-10-30T20:02:48Z")
::Adds \*\*Wee Brain \*\* to Idiot List[sup]TM[/sup]:: ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/50 "2007-10-30T20:07:42Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] I shamefully admit I didn’t get the Algonquin reference though 🙂 [/QUOTE] De Profundis Oh, is it, then, Utopian To hope that I may meet a [wo]man Who’ll not relate, in accent grave, The tales of girls to whom she gave? (with apologies to Dorothy Parker) ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/51 "2007-10-30T20:07:55Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] And do you know much about child abuse, like how long it takes on average for someon to run from it? [/quote] No, please do enlighten me. My understanding, gleaned from 35 years experience in the adult world, is that abuse can go on for years, decades even, before the victim summons up the nerve to say anything. Oprah’s school opened in January. Ten months doesn’t seem like an extraordinarily long time for a situation of abuse to have time to develop from “abuse” to “abuse bad enough that the victim finally says something”. It actually seems pretty short, as these things go. > [@Wee Bairn](#): > > In the time it took to come to that, no one at the school got word to Oafrah that there was a girl or girls becoming withdrawn, or whatever signs there are? Girls are beaten and no other school teachers or admins get word of it? Apparently you didn’t read your own news link. The girls complained to the principal–who did nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/52 "2007-10-30T20:09:35Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] De Profundis Oh, is it, then, Utopian To hope that I may meet a [wo]man Who’ll not relate, in accent grave, The tales of girls to whom she gave? (with apologies to Dorothy Parker)[/QUOTE **swoons, impressed** ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/53 "2007-10-30T20:13:28Z")
[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated] I am not a Christian, but there is a biblical passage that I quite like. It’s the one where Jesus’ desciples condemn the prostitute for washing Jesus’ feet with perfume that could be sold and the money given to the poor. I think Jesus says, there will always be poor, let the woman give as her heart sees fit. [/QUOTE] The school put me in the mind of anothjer passage: Be not as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. -Matthew 6:5 I have no objection to what she’s done beyond that. Except her actual show, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/54 "2007-10-30T20:15:37Z")
[QUOTE=Omegaman] The high point of this piss poor pitting I’m sure. [/QUOTE] The image of Jesus just appeared on a Cinnabun at the O’Hare airport, why don’t you run pray to it. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/55 "2007-10-30T20:16:18Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] The school put me in the mind of anothjer passage: Be not as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. -Matthew 6:5 I have no objection to what she’s done beyond that. Except her actual show, I mean. [/QUOTE] I would probably go for that if she claimed to be a Christian, which she doesn’t. I think that particular passage isn’t nearly as brilliant as the parts of the bible that I cherry pick and like. I mean, how would one get publicity for their projects for which they wish to raise awareness, if they don’t publicize it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/56 "2007-10-30T20:18:29Z")
**Diogenes** , I know that, unlike the OP, you’re not a drooling moron, so maybe you can explain to me what Oprah did wrong here? She opened a school in South Africa. Since she’s not an educator or academic administrator herself, she hired someone she thought would be competent to manage the day-to-day functions of the school, and report to her if there were any major problems. When a major problem occured, the person responsible for telling her about it, didn’t tell her about it. As soon as Oprah learned from another source what was going on, she fired the person directly accused, she fired the person who failed to tell her about the situation, she flew directly to the location and personally apologized for what happened. Where, in this flow of events, did Oprah do something she should not have done, or not done something she should have? The only obvious thing I can see was hiring Dr. Mzimune, but I don’t see how much moral culpability attaches to Oprah over that. Someone had to be put in that position, and it seems unlikely that Oprah would _deliberatly_ hire someone incompetent or corrupt for that position, if for no other reason than the potential PR fallout when the person screws up. Even if we take your characterization of Oprah’s motives at face value, I still don’t see how she should have acted differently in this circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/57 "2007-10-30T20:25:29Z")
Someone who doesn’t share your opinion is therefore a drooling moron? How enlightened. What would you call someone who spends two paragraphs presenting as factual scenarios that he does not know actually took place? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/58 "2007-10-30T20:32:07Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] What would you call someone who spends two paragraphs presenting as factual scenarios that he does not know actually took place? [/QUOTE] The OP? ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/59 "2007-10-30T20:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] The OP? [/QUOTE] Ouch! Seriously though, my OP boils down to, don’t “front” like you are on top of the daily events when you obviously are not. I’m not breaking down the minute details of the hiring process as **miller** is. Tell me where I’m wrong, someone? anyone? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606/60 "2007-10-30T20:33:10Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] . What would you call someone who spends two paragraphs presenting as factual scenarios that he does not know actually took place? [/QUOTE] **Wee Bairn** edited to add _Curses!!! ::shakes fist::_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-fuck-you-oafrah/424606.md?page=4)