# Haha, North Korean rocket crashes and burns within one minute of takeoff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623 "2012-04-13T00:54:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/101 "2012-04-14T16:31:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Of course, they will simply claim it a success for internal propoganda and deny western claims of it’s failure as outrageous lies and slander. They didn’t. And, ironically, they had to be informed of the failure by the Western journalists that they invited. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/102 "2012-04-14T16:49:30Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Really, **Kozmik**? That’s how you respond to my post citing that Obama hasn’t given North Korea food aid? Did Kozmik dispute that, either before your post or after it? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/103 "2012-04-14T17:06:10Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > This cracks me up, because there is a difference under Obama. Under Bush and under Clinton before him, we would make a deal, give those sons o’ bitches food, and they would renege. The most famous example is the goddamn nuclear test in 2006 after Bush gave the bastards 40,000 tons of food in 2004. The difference under Obama is that we never actually gave them anything. We _promised_ them food if they behaved themselves. Obama promised it to North Korea, but wanted some more concrete evidence they were complying with international sanctions. They didn’t, so fuck 'em. _We never actually delivered anything_. From the [Los Angeles Times:](http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-us-norkor-20120414,0,3787383.story): > > So you are pretty much wrong there. Obama hasn’t given them jack shit. [Bush did though](http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RS21834.pdf). I await the apology from **ralph124c** , when he realizes that his ideas on the matter were 180 degrees removed from reality, and he was 100% wrong. \ ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/104 "2012-04-14T17:52:58Z")
Let me say something regarding Bush clearing food aid to North Korea. I never really had a problem with it. He was trying his goddamn hardest to use a carrot and stick approach. You behave, we’ll help with the famine. You don’t, no sandwiches. Those are pretty much the only tools we got in diplomatic relations with that crazy-ass nation. We can pressure China a tad to be a bit harder, but China’s kinda fucked. Tightening the screws on North Korea means more refugees flowing across the border into China. They don’t want that. What nation would? Where **ralpg124c** is wrong, is that Obama doesn’t even seem to be trying. He won’t come out and say it, but his position really seems to be “fuck 'em, I got other things to deal with”. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/105 "2012-04-14T17:58:03Z")
n/m I meant to hit “edit” and I hit “quote”. whoops. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/106 "2012-04-14T17:59:25Z")
Sell them some Arkansas rice. Kids will eat and rice farmers here can pay their taxes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/107 "2012-04-14T19:05:15Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Not so scary now, are you, Kim Un? Looks like his plan to appear unassuming worked. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/108 "2012-04-14T19:41:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Sell them some Arkansas rice. Kids will eat and rice farmers here can pay their taxes. > 🙂 They spent all their money on missiles. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/109 "2012-04-14T19:56:20Z")
> **[Launch | Hungry Kim Jong-un](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/284589-hungry-kim-jong-un)** > > See more 'Hungry Kim Jong-un' images on Know Your Meme! Kim Jong Un:\*\*\* Launch? I said Lunch!\*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/110 "2012-04-14T20:00:54Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > They spent all their money on missiles. :smack: _dammit._ ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/111 "2012-04-14T22:35:25Z")
Kozmic, Why do you think they call them “editions”? It’s because they change and update the paper as news unfolds before the press run is finished. Geez. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/112 "2012-04-15T03:37:23Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Kozmic, Why do you think they call them “editions”? It’s because they change and update the paper as news unfolds before the press run is finished. Geez. In [this edition](http://www.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/13/nytfrontpage/scannat.jpg) there is no story on the front page (it’s on page A13) about the North Korea rocket fail; however, in [this edition](http://www.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/13/nytfrontpage/scan.jpg) there is a story on the front page about the North Korea rocket fail. Why? **The editors had the story for _both_ editions.** For some inexplicable reason, it seems the editors decided that for the Late Edition (or New York Edition) the story would be on the front page but that for the National Edition, the story would not be on the front page but on page A13. Again, why? ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/113 "2012-04-15T04:50:28Z")
> [@Kozmik](#): > > In [this edition](http://www.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/13/nytfrontpage/scannat.jpg) there is no story on the front page (it’s on page A13) about the North Korea rocket fail; however, in [this edition](http://www.nytimes.com/images/2012/04/13/nytfrontpage/scan.jpg) there is a story on the front page about the North Korea rocket fail. Why? > > **The editors had the story for _both_ editions.** For some inexplicable reason, it seems the editors decided that for the Late Edition (or New York Edition) the story would be on the front page but that for the National Edition, the story would not be on the front page but on page A13. Again, why? This is really tedious. You obviously know nothing about newspaper publishing especially about national newspapters. Not all editions are printed at the same time. One editiona will get printed, changes are made and then the next edition will be printed. When a paper like the NY Times is printing a million copies or more a day there is a time lag. The last edition to be printed is the New York Late Edition. This is most apparant for sport scores and results. There are different deadlines for different editions. Obviously the NY Times was able to update the story for the later ecitions. Get a clue. Did you know that the Sunday NY Times is available on NYC newstands on Satureday evening? If you are a subscriber to the print edition of the Times in NYC you get half of the Sunday paper delivered to you on Saturday morning. If you wait until Sunday morning you can get a Late edition on the newsstand that is far more current than what you might have bought on Saturday night. Do you get it? Not all editions come off the press at the same time and they don’t customize editioral based on editions. They customize it for breaking news, sports scores and advertisers who might want to run ads in the New York editon and not the National edition or vise versa. Don’t be so thick. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/114 "2012-04-15T11:53:41Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > This is really tedious. You obviously know nothing about newspaper publishing especially about national newspapters. I don’t live in New York City so… > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Not all editions are printed at the same time. Ok. > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > One editiona will get printed, changes are made and then the next edition will be printed. Ok. > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > When a paper like the NY Times is printing a million copies or more a day there is a time lag. The last edition to be printed is the New York Late Edition. This is most apparant for sport scores and results. There are different deadlines for different editions. Ok. So that explains why the New York Edition is also called the Late Edition. > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Obviously the NY Times was able to update the story for the later ecitions. That does not explain why in the Late Edition the (updated) story is on the front page but in the National Edition the story is not on the front page. Again, they had the same story for both editons. The story became front page news during the time lag. :dubious: > [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Not all editions come off the press at the same time and they don’t customize editioral based on editions. They customize it for breaking news, sports scores and advertisers who might want to run ads in the New York editon and not the National edition or vise versa. Ok. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623/115 "2012-04-17T13:15:45Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > They’re going to launch two rockets? I was hoping for a pin-wheel & a flag. Any chance the reporters will be bringing home any of those light-up glow sticks? They’re the Best. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haha-north-korean-rocket-crashes-and-burns-within-one-minute-of-takeoff/618623.md?page=5)