# Hahahahaha. Tea party republicans push for regressive tax hike. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 21, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525 "2011-08-21T14:08:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/161 "2011-08-29T15:00:30Z")
Is there a Poe’s law analogue for whack-a-doodle libertarian stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/162 "2011-08-29T15:21:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Sorry to butt in. Sometimes I skim these threads to learn how right-wingers think. > > The frightening thing is: In this Brave New World where Bachmann is the “moderate” alternative to Paul, Mr. Smashy may be right here. :smack: > > When I skimmed this, I thought Smashy advocated a mixture of spending cuts and tax hikes to balance the budget, and almost wanted to welcome him home from the asylum. 🆒 > > But on re-read … he thinks budget balancing in an era of record-low taxation requires still lower taxes! 😃 :smack: > > I hope you’ll forgive me for not addressing your “substantive” points, Smashy. Instead I’d like to see your cite for this nonsensical 40 cent Beijing factoid. You don’t have one? Then you fit in real well with the other right-wingers here. I don’t have anything of substance to add but I would like to tell you that you have this posting style that irritates the hell out of me. Calling people pet names, paraphrasing their arguments from previous postings (I’m guessing), it’s getting rather old and I sincerely wish a mod would put you back in line. You never argue the merits of whatever is being discussed but always seem to hand wave them all away due to some perceived notion you have that dismisses them. Good on you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/163 "2011-08-29T15:29:44Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > I don’t have anything of substance to add Fact. I keeed, I keeed. > [@](#): > > but I would like to tell you that you have this posting style that irritates the hell out of me. Calling people pet names, paraphrasing their arguments from previous postings (I’m guessing), it’s getting rather old and I sincerely wish a mod would put you back in line. You never argue the merits of whatever is being discussed but always seem to hand wave them all away due to some perceived notion you have that dismisses them. Good on you. You don’t think mentioning that Smashy’s nonsense about cutting taxes lowering the deficit isn’t true is arguing merits? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/164 "2011-08-29T15:33:45Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You don’t think mentioning that Smashy’s nonsense about cutting taxes lowering the deficit isn’t true is arguing merits? That’s **Mr. Smashy** to you, son. Can’t be using pet names, now. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/165 "2011-08-29T15:35:12Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Fact. I keeed, I keeed. > You don’t think mentioning that Smashy’s nonsense about cutting taxes lowering the deficit isn’t true is arguing merits? I didn’t see Mr Smashy advocating a tax cut. I think he made a typo and septimus jumped all over it like it was fresh banana pudding. It is those types of hyperpartisan strikes that make me cringe every time I read the paper or watch the news (or for that matter, post here) ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/166 "2011-08-29T15:38:36Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s **Mr. Smashy** to you, son. Can’t be using pet names, now. Seriously, if you guys can’t understand the difference then it must be that I am the only one with the problem. I came onto this site calling elucidator ‘luci’, he posted once about me doing so and I stopped. It isn’t a ‘what’s acceptable meme’, it’s a ‘what’s appropriate and respectful’. If you can’t argue the merits of the facts or lack thereof in front of you, and you devolve into pet names and offering nothing of substance (which I see a lot from septimus) then you shouldn’t “butt in” at all. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/167 "2011-08-29T16:00:51Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s **Mr. Smashy** to you, son. Can’t be using pet names, now. Oddly enough, I call most of my pets by “Mr. [pet name]”. Perhaps that’s why I refrain from it. > [@Kearsen](#): > > I didn’t see Mr Smashy advocating a tax cut. I think he made a typo and septimus jumped all over it like it was fresh banana pudding. It is those types of hyperpartisan strikes that make me cringe every time I read the paper or watch the news (or for that matter, post here) If it’s a typo, sure. But Mr. Smashy is a line item right wing ideologue on most economic matters. It certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility if you take this [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14075962&postcount=485)into account. > [@](#): > > Seriously, if you guys can’t understand the difference then it must be that I am the only one with the problem. > I came onto this site calling elucidator ‘luci’, he posted once about me doing so and I stopped. > It isn’t a ‘what’s acceptable meme’, it’s a ‘what’s appropriate and respectful’. If you can’t argue the merits of the facts or lack thereof in front of you, and you devolve into pet names and offering nothing of substance (which I see a lot from septimus) then you shouldn’t “butt in” at all. It really seems like you’re the guy who isn’t offering substance. You appear to just be complaining about the tone of posts, but not offering any substance of your own. In any case, Mr Smashy and I are on a pet name basis. He calls me [lobo](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13403248&postcount=176) and that doesn’t bother me in the least. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/168 "2011-08-29T16:07:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Oddly enough, I call most of my pets by “Mr. [pet name]”. Perhaps that’s why I refrain from it. > > If it’s a typo, sure. But Mr. Smashy is a line item right wing ideologue on most economic matters. It certainly isn’t out of the realm of possibility if you take this [post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14075962&postcount=485)into account. > > It really seems like you’re the guy who isn’t offering substance. You appear to just be complaining about the tone of posts, but not offering any substance of your own. > > In any case, Mr Smashy and I are on a pet name basis. He calls me [lobo](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13403248&postcount=176) and that doesn’t bother me in the least. Correct on almost all counts. I did not come into this thread to offer insight. In any event, I took care of it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/169 "2011-08-29T17:34:02Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > …I came onto this site calling elucidator ‘luci’, he posted once about me doing so and I stopped… Oh, hell, that’s all right, Snugglebumps, knock yourself out! I called \*\*Sam Stone \*\*“Sam, the Canadian Eagle” after the Muppets character, but he bitched about it so I stopped. Asked once if **Scylla** was the monster that swallowed Greek seamen, and he went totally ballistic. Never did it again, and this doesn’t count, because its for illustrative purposes only. Just pointing out what a nice guy I am, compared to what a total shit I can be. Anyway, “Luci” is pretty small beer. Some people who use it actually like me, so what the heck. I’ve raised kids, whatever dignity I have remaining probably isn’t enough to try and preserve. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/170 "2011-08-29T18:31:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, hell, that’s all right, Snugglebumps, knock yourself out! > > I called \*\*Sam Stone \*\*“Sam, the Canadian Eagle” after the Muppets character, but he bitched about it so I stopped. Asked once if **Scylla** was the monster that swallowed Greek seamen, and he went totally ballistic. Never did it again, and this doesn’t count, because its for illustrative purposes only. Just pointing out what a nice guy I am, compared to what a total shit I can be. > > Anyway, “Luci” is pretty small beer. Some people who use it actually like me, so what the heck. I’ve raised kids, whatever dignity I have remaining probably isn’t enough to try and preserve. But I do like you! We just disagree on most things. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525/171 "2011-08-31T09:53:40Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > We can’t balance the budget by spending cuts alone, I realize that… but we also can’t grow out of it through tax cuts either. We need to do both. The phrasing “we can’t grow out of it through tax cuts” makes it very clear that Mr Smashy is suggesting supply-side stimulus. (Tax revenues will eventually increase in a growing economy.) This was no typographical error. > [@Kearsen](#): > > I didn’t see Mr Smashy advocating a tax cut. I think he made a typo and septimus jumped all over it like it was fresh banana pudding. It is those types of hyperpartisan strikes that make me cringe every time I read the paper or watch the news (or for that matter, post here) It was no “typo” – see above. I will agree with you, if it’s what you’re implying, that advocating further tax cuts is mistaken, but I don’t see how Mr Smashy’s sentence can be interpreted otherwise. We spent more than a trillion on stimulus like TARP – but most of that was directed to prevent losses by big Wall St. investors. The FRB injected more than a trillion with its QE programs – much of that was directed to investment in East Asian economies. I don’t know whether to hope for another trillion of stimulus or not. It would be good if properly directed for a change but will it be? And is anyone other than Mr Smashy seriously asking for more tax cuts? 😕 :smack: @ **Kearsen** - I do need to work on my tone. The fact is that I am easily irritated, because the matters we’re debating are very serious, and I’m tired of the hypocrisies, strawmen, misrepresentations, and hyperpartisism. But you pretend to believe Mr Smashy made a typo (please reread and tell us if that is sensical) and then jump “all over [septimus] like it was fresh banana pudding.” Willful ignorance makes me cringe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hahahahaha-tea-party-republicans-push-for-regressive-tax-hike/593525.md?page=8)