# Hail the US troops, change membername in YELLOW RIBBON. Or get banned. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 25, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600 "2004-12-25T18:24:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/381 "2004-12-29T16:58:01Z")
> [@Ryan\_Lame](#): > > Of course _Redshift_ If you’re going to modify user names in order to show your contempt for a poster, please take the time to make them at least minimally insulting. That was just lame. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/382 "2004-12-29T17:05:00Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > T(aside to **Aldebaran** )From my point-of-view, for you to say that about “women in general” is the equivalent of someone calling Arabs “towel heads.” Besides, I hope that you will extend to me the courtesy of not blaming her tiresome behavior on her womanhood. It is more likely related to eating too much endive, living in mauve-colored air, or going to jazz clubs. I have to politely disagree. I’m the personal slave of 3 women who all try to reshape me into their wishes. The youngest being my daughter who learns so quickly how to do that, that her brother and me are in a state of constant panick. But it was not my intention at all to blame “all women” on this globe for the behaviour on a message board of a clearly obsessed imbalanced nutcase that says to be female. I can’t even imagine the effect of the combination of endive, mauve-coloured air and jazz clubs. I would make an exception for Jazz though, on condition it is a live and good (which means having me as the violinst) performance. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/383 "2004-12-29T17:09:22Z")
I can be wrong, being not good in English and all, but in my view this thread has gone far away from the intentions behind my OP. Maybe we should split it up (spinn-offs of a good serial or movie are often very popular). Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/384 "2004-12-29T17:11:46Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > If you’re going to modify user names in order to show your contempt for a poster, please take the time to make them at least minimally insulting. That was just lame. Actually it was a mistake. Redfury, don’t know where redshift came from 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/385 "2004-12-29T17:13:51Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > However, on a broader scale, are you not pleased to think that for every Iraqi death occurring today it is likely that ten, fifteen or twenty would have occurred under Hussein? Are you not pleased that, overall, many, many, fewer Iraqis are dying daily than under Hussein? And, as is entirely predictable, the fathers of those daughters and relatives of those Iraqi deaths occurring today are taking up arms against those who killed their loved ones. They did it when it was Hussein who was killing their loved ones and they are doing it today when it is the US troops. A man should not be expected to forgive those responsible for his daughter’s death merely because they spared his neighbors daughter instead of killing her too. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/386 "2004-12-29T17:16:19Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > [BBC NEWS | Middle East | Eyewitness: Taking detainee testimony in Iraq](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4066835.stm) > > It is not even important that all these stories are true. > What is important is that they circulate as being true and that there are people **who can confirm them to be true** where the US Heros appear. While our soliders (would you _please_ knock off the “hero” garbage?) don’t belong there, the Iraqis themselves are part of the problem. > [@](#): > > Many men are held because they happened to be on the street, even blocks away, from an explosion. The US military would round up hundreds of men in the area to try to find the few that caused the blast. > > In fact, we came to the conclusion that 80% to 90% of the prisoners had never been involved in any violent action. This is an estimate that tallies with the estimates of other groups such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. > > A common reason for men to be detained is because an informant in the neighbourhood has given their name to US military and claimed that they are part of the resistance. > > Informants get money for each name they give, and many people have told us that informants use the system to revenge personal grudges. It’s like Berlin, circa 1940. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/387 "2004-12-29T17:37:52Z")
I know this is the Pit, but some of you really need to calm down. Here, look at some nice [kittens](http://www.aimchange.com/upload/animals/Cute%20Kittens.gif). ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/388 "2004-12-29T17:42:19Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > While our soliders (would you _please_ knock off the “hero” garbage?) don’t belong there, the Iraqis themselves are part of the problem.It’s like Berlin, circa 1940. “Hero” for US soldiers is around here a honorory title I can’t question. Not its use, not its existence, not its purpose, not if yes or no they deserve it at all. Because then comes an Administrator along to post > [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > Aldebaran, don’t be a jerk. > > Lynn > For the Straight Dope [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=235416&highlight=Aldebaran+jerk](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=235416&highlight=Aldebaran+jerk) You find it a “problem of Iraqis” that idiotic US military cowboys offer money to people who have no income or jobs (thanks go to Criminal Bremer) to betray their countrymen to the invaders. Which as any normal reasoning person **knows** that this is nothing then an open invitation to settle a few scores with an enemy. You find it a “problem of the Iraqis” that said arrogant fools actually are so stupid to **believe** that this shall not lead to every form of abuse and corruption you can think of and hence take the word of every Iraqi who comes up with “information” that gets him collecting some money to feed his family? (Hail Criminal Bremer again). And then you say “hyperbole” is _my_ trademark? Very funny. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/389 "2004-12-29T18:12:41Z")
Coming back to my OP, I offer you an interesting post. > **[What should the Dem position on Islamic terrorism be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294152)** > > It’s been set forth that one of the areas that Dems are perceived as being weak on is in response to terrorism, specifically, Islamic terrorism, which is the leading brand of terrorism at the moment. They postulate that any sign of “weakness” –... > [@rfgdxm](#): > > Huh??? I do support Iraqi insurgents killing US troops. By what sane definition of “terrorist” is locals killing the troops of an invading army? Terrorists strike at civilians, and not armed, enemy troops that are invaders. As for US troops, I suport them by saying the should be pulled out of Iraq. They don’t belong there. If you see any “warning” here because of Gaudere’s-cool-o-meter flipping, then I must be blind. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![peri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@peri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peri)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/390 "2004-12-29T18:38:07Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > **Gaspode** :(In my defense though, my time here is often limited and fragmented because of the needs of others in the household to use the computer.) You say that like it’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/391 "2004-12-29T19:03:07Z")
[QUOTE=Aldebaran] “Hero” for US soldiers is around here a honorory title I can’t question. Not its use, not its existence, not its purpose, not if yes or no they deserve it at all. quote]You’re sterotyping again. Besides, the way you use it isn’t a mark of honor, it’s sarcasm. > [@](#): > > You find it a “problem of Iraqis” (×2) Now the willful misunderstanding. Earth to **Aldebaran** , I said they’re _part of_ the problem, not they _are_ the problem. Surely, there are ways to earn money other than ratting out their fellow countrymen to occupying forces. > [@](#): > > And then you say “hyperbole” is _my_ trademark? The phrase is “outrageous hyperobole”, and yes, I do. I see that **Lynn** ’s admonishment is nearly a year old. You plan on not acting like a jerk anytime soon? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/392 "2004-12-29T20:20:13Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Remember: Iraqis are Muslims. Not all of them. I work with a few Assyrians. Aparently things were copacetic with them and their neighbors of different religions until Saddam came along. They’re rather happy the US troops are over there, despite the fact that some of their relatives are being killed. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/393 "2004-12-29T20:44:52Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Coming back to my OP, I offer you an interesting post. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294152](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294152) > > > [@rfgdxm](#): > > > > Huh??? I do support Iraqi insurgents killing US troops. By what sane definition of “terrorist” is locals killing the troops of an invading army? Terrorists strike at civilians, and not armed, enemy troops that are invaders. As for US troops, I suport them by saying the should be pulled out of Iraq. They don’t belong there. > > If you see any “warning” here because of Gaudere’s-cool-o-meter flipping, then I must be blind. If you can’t see the difference between **rfgdxm** ’s post and your implied volunteering to _join_ the Iraqis in shooting US troops, perhaps you are indeed blind. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/394 "2004-12-29T22:58:23Z")
Reality check once more for the willfully blind (why am I not surprized). > [@myself](#): > > Whenever I read threads like this, I fee like getting a gun, going to Iraq and start shooting there at the criminals who invaded and keep it under occupation. > Really. I do. That angry these type of lunatics on a message board, claiming the US owns the whole Middle East and can invade and kill at will, makes me. > I have SO ENOUGH of this criminal minded hypocritical arrogance that I can’t find words to describe it. 1. “feeling” like something when reading the arrogant plots and the arrogant pondering wether the USA should invade yet an other nation in my region = **threatening ME, my family, my friends, my region** is not stating : Look, I joined the Iraqi resistence". 2. adding to this description of a feeling provoked by reading something , explaining once more why I feel it and what provoked it, is also not declaring : Look, I’m off now to Iraq to join the resistance. 3. I even don’t mention any “resistance”. I only mention myself and my feelings at a certain moment and that I have enough of reading these things. I don’t even say anything about “killing” someone. I don’t even mention a US soldier. 4. I add to this then even the following explaining comment: > [@](#): > > Think for a second about this and how mad, and I mean: really outrageous mad, many many people in my region of the world are and how much more enraged they will get if the US dares to invade yet an other nation starting the massacre there. If you don’t like to read the truth of this statement, then don’t read it. Stay blind. Stay ignorant. Stay a stupid arrogant fool. On the other hand: The member I quoted clearly writes to \*\*support it that US soldiers are getting killed by Iraqis. \*\* Why am I not surprized that in the thread itself, he is even defended against my remark he should check out this thread. By people who do not agree with his post, yet his post comes from a Made in USA “one of us”, one of the “Let’s all be Buddies” the group mentality “Us against Them”. One member even said that I could eventually “report the post”, indicating that nobody else shall even think about it. I am quite sure many have “reported” my post, because Gaudere came along with her “warning” a few pages (and days?) later. The double standards and hyporcrisy and group mentality on this message board would be extremely funny to observe if it would not be so utterly sickening. The SDMB should not have the pretense to claim its aim is to “Fight Ignorance” and to be “International” in its set-up. It is clear enough that the SDMB is set up and moderated as a “US and Western or Western Orientated Blog” . This should be spelled out clearly by modifying the “Terms of agreement” as I proposed in this thread. Why hide what is perfectly clear and playing hypocrite instead of simply being honest. Fooling yourselves ? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/395 "2004-12-29T23:08:40Z")
Aldebaran- What the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension? Numerous people here have told you that ‘I feel like’ and ‘I want to’ are synonomous. Don’t try to be coy and say you meant someone else besides U.S/British and (can’t forget em!) Polish soldiers. You could have said I want to go join the resistance, fight the occupation or anything in this vein. What you can not do in any circumstance is say that you want to go and shoot a board member. Guadere came in here and clarified the rules for you. They apply equally to everyone so either come back with an example of someone saying they want to shoot Iraqis or quit playing the fucking victem. Willfully ignorant indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/396 "2004-12-29T23:51:02Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > The member I quoted clearly writes to \*\*support it that US soldiers are getting killed by Iraqis. \*\* The difference that you are (deliberately?) missing is that **rfgdxm** is simply supporting the Iraqi defense where you exhibited interest in actively _joining_ them. _You_ feel like pulling a trigger against invading criminals ( **Aldebaran** -speak for American forces), **rfgdxm** never said any such thing. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/397 "2004-12-30T00:19:31Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > On the other hand: The member I quoted clearly writes to \*\*support it that US soldiers are getting killed by Iraqis. \*\* > [@aldebaran](#): > > It is clear enough that the SDMB is set up and moderated as a “US and Western or Western Orientated Blog” . > This should be spelled out clearly by modifying the “Terms of agreement” as I proposed in this thread. Which is it, dipshit? If your second statement were true, why didn’t the poster get banned? Or warned? Or have the secret service invade their house? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/398 "2004-12-30T00:24:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Which is it, dipshit? If your second statement were true, why didn’t the poster get banned? Or warned? Or have the secret service invade their house? **kidchameleon** , i know **Alderbaran** ’s posting style can be confusing sometimes, but I believe he is referring to himself,the post he made and the fact he _ **was** _ warned. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/399 "2004-12-30T00:30:40Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > **kidchameleon** , i know **Alderbaran** ’s posting style can be confusing sometimes, but I believe he is referring to himself,the post he made and the fact he _ **was** _ warned. No, he quoted rfgdxm in post 389(I think, preview doesn’t show the #s any more), including amongst other bits “I do support Iraqi insurgents killing US troops”. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600/400 "2004-12-30T12:15:48Z")
Kid, try to read posts before posting comments on them. Also: Try very hard to grow up before you make stupid threads calling out adults on the words they use: > **[Aldebaran, leave the dogs alone](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294240)** > > Your attitude, location and politics are immaterial in this thread. The matter at hand is your use of ‘dog’ as an insult. I’m tired of it. I have a wonderful year old Norwegian Elkhound that is sweeter, nicer and has more unconditional love than... No matter if you reveal yourself there once again as being a silly little clown, you were not joking like the Moderator choosed to take it. You were deadly serious and seriouly thought to have a good point against that Middle Eastern Intruder in this Nice All Western or Western Orientated SDMB Blog. Hence, since this board pretends to “fight ignorance” and since it wants to pretend - not capable of even coming across as being serious about that intention - to be “international” , I suggest you leanr a few other languages. This shall not only develop your (now clearly under-performing) brain cells. You shall also discover - to your great distress - that “dog” is used as an insult in many many many of them. Yes, that is: **many**. As in: much. Also: My dogs (more then 30 at the moment, pups of the race I breed as one of my hobbys included), don’t care a bit that I call you now a son of a dog. Oh well, to stay correct: A puppy of a dog. Yes, it is an insult to them to call you or others a dog, but they **don’t now** that I do this. I don’t tell them about it. Salaam. A [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hail-the-us-troops-change-membername-in-yellow-ribbon-or-get-banned/281600.md?page=21)