# Half-Assed U. (FSU) placed on NCAA probation! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 7, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624 "2009-03-07T03:12:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624/1 "2009-03-07T03:12:50Z")
It seems that the Criminoles’ years of cheating have finally caught up with them. They will forfeit some football wins. **NINE** of their other teams were also placed on probation. [Florida State Seminoles forfeit wins, put on probation - ESPN](http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292) (warning: video) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624/2 "2009-03-07T03:57:53Z")
Ouch. Bobby’ll never catch Joe now. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624/3 "2009-03-07T04:20:24Z")
I see what you did switching those words around. It was clever. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624/4 "2009-03-07T06:53:17Z")
> [@ESPN](#): > > In November 2007, Florida State and the NCAA agreed that athletes who had received “improper help” would be suspended for 30 percent of their seasons. According to the Orlando Sentinel, officials interviewed 75 individuals, and 39 admitted receiving improper assistance in an online music course. Roughly two dozen football players were suspended for the Music City Bowl, which FSU lost 35-28 to Kentucky. The Seminoles also suspended about 10 players for the first three games of the 2008 season. > > FSU officials and players were under the impression those athletes had already served their punishment, **but Thomas said on Friday that the instant a player cheated in class – regardless of whether school officials knew about it – he became ineligible, and if that athlete played in a game, it must be vacated**. That could cost FSU games from 2006, when the academic fraud began. This doesn’t make any sense. I mean, I understand that the player made himself ineligible, but how can you reasonably penalize the entire program for something it didn’t know about, especially when they DID take the proper actions once they knew something was wrong? Thomas praises FSU for their actions re: the investigation, but somehow sees fit to penalize them for… ignorance? If it was willful ignorance I would agree, but in the absence of evidence of wrong-doing, this doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-assed-u-fsu-placed-on-ncaa-probation/488624/5 "2009-03-09T03:27:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thomas praises FSU for their actions re: the investigation, but somehow sees fit to penalize them for… ignorance? If it was willful ignorance I would agree, but in the absence of evidence of wrong-doing, this doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. I think the point is that university (and possibly athletic) staff were providing the “improper help”, rather than other students or just random Joes.