# Half of Republicans Believe Trump's Illegal Vote Lie **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049 "2018-05-29T11:16:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/21 "2018-05-29T21:36:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m interested in whatever underlying rationale there may be. Has anyone heard any? I recognize that my fantasy about thousands of buses rolling illegal persons from place to place is redonkulous. But has any other been offered? Does this question even arise, in their minds? > > … You realize that you are asking Trump supporters to examine a claim, follow a logical thought path, and form a judgement. I admire your optimism! ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/22 "2018-05-29T21:37:53Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > In California anyone who registers for a driver’s license gets to register to vote. Oh, child, you just enjoy yanking chains, yeah? A little wooshing to brighten your day? No? Otherwise, you are engaged in repeating a lie. You are lying. You are a liar. > **[FACT CHECK: Did California Pass a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to...](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-motor-voter-act/)** > > While California did pass a law to increase voter turnout, the state has not made it legal for undocumented people to vote. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/23 "2018-05-29T22:06:20Z")
Nearly a quarter of Democrats agree with Trump on that point; well not really since the data is misrepresented. Looking at the [report](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-voter-fraud_us_5b0850f8e4b0fdb2aa53791f) instead of the editorial spin, only 39% of Democrats are at least somewhat confident the votes were accurately counted while 70% of Republicans thought they were. They story also if factually incorrect in stating that the question clearly shows “they believe between 3 million and 5 million people voted illegally in 2016.” The question in the [poll](https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2018/05/25/5b084adbe4b0568a880b4571.pdf) is: > [@](#): > > Which of the following do you think is currently a more widespread problem? > with the answer options being > [@](#): > > People committing voter fraud > People who are eligible to vote being prevented from doing so > Neither of the above > Not sure So a solid Democratic majority thinks we can’t count votes accurately in the US. Republicans have a big, but not quite majority, that think we count fine but the votes themselves are a problem. Cherry pick from the data and spin away. IMO the big story is that there is crisis of confidence in our voting systems across both parties. But why should we let that get in the way of a little good old-fashioned tribalistic demonization to rally the faithful? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/24 "2018-05-29T23:21:56Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > They story also if factually incorrect in stating that the question clearly shows “they believe between 3 million and 5 million people voted illegally in 2016.” The question in the [poll](https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2018/05/25/5b084adbe4b0568a880b4571.pdf) is: > > > [@](#): > > > > Which of the following do you think is currently a more widespread problem? Question 8 on the poll was specifically about 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/25 "2018-05-30T00:31:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Which leads to question _numero two-o_…if you do believe that, how? How could it be done? Are the Dems bussing them from polling place to polling place? In every state, they suck up all the available charter busses to move their ringers from poll to poll? Anyone ever seen one, a rented Trailways pulls up to a polling place and disgorges a busload? Where pre-arranged voter registration exists? Or what, exactly. They’ve seen them. \*They have seen these buses. \* > **[Trump voter: I saw buses of illegal voters | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/30/trump-voter-saw-buses-illegal-voters-camerota-newday.cnn)** > > A New Hampshire man, who voted for President Trump, tells CNN’s Alisyn Camerota he has seen “busloads” of voters come in from out-of-state to cast illegal ballots. It’s hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/26 "2018-05-30T00:40:33Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > They’ve seen them. \*They have seen these buses. \* > > [https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/30/trump-voter-saw-buses-illegal-voters-camerota-newday.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/30/trump-voter-saw-buses-illegal-voters-camerota-newday.cnn) > > It’s hilarious. Oh holy fucking fuck. Fuck me. Just shoot me in the head. Trump supporters, the most bigliest delusional motherfuckers ever. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/27 "2018-05-30T01:27:56Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Question 8 on the poll was specifically about 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. But why should we let that get in the way of a little good old-fashioned tribalistic demonization to rally the faithful? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/28 "2018-05-30T03:46:08Z")
Well. OK, we got one. The Great California DMV Debacle, put that up on the board. California issues licenses/registrations to millions of illegal people, and then they spread out over the country and vote like crazy! (Did Il Douche say that most of the illegal votes were in California?) Kinda like a mange-infested chihuahua wins the dog show, because nobody else showed up… ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/29 "2018-05-30T08:19:30Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > They’ve seen them. \*They have seen these buses. \* > > [https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/30/trump-voter-saw-buses-illegal-voters-camerota-newday.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/03/30/trump-voter-saw-buses-illegal-voters-camerota-newday.cnn) > > It’s hilarious. I’m trying to imagine how they think this would work. Millions of out of staters (or at least out of precinct) somehow register to vote using local addresses, and none of the people who actually live at those millions of addresses question the mail they receive in response to those registrations? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/30 "2018-05-30T10:02:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > _Numero uno_, nobody here is that fucking stupid, right? Not even our own private contingent of Trump chumps, who apparently will believe almost anything…they are not _that_ Ricky Retardo. They don’t really believe that anyone could do that, right? I am also curious about this. Does anyone here on the SDMB believe there was this amount of illegal voting? Or anywhere close? I sorta doubt any of our righty brethren would admit they believe that even if they actually do but… who knows? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/31 "2018-05-30T10:53:36Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > In California anyone who registers for a driver’s license gets to register to vote. Hi **Channing**! Are you a moron? or a liar? or both? Please help us out here; we’re trying to understand right-wing “cognition.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/32 "2018-05-30T12:20:08Z")
The right’s continued assault on the notion of truth in general is going to be one of the most corrosive aspects of the current political era. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/33 "2018-05-30T12:23:33Z")
The truth is that Republicans don’t care about facts. If it smears Democrats and raises fears about “the other” it gets repeated, retweeted, shared, liked, resent, forwarded, or more likely, all of the above. The I’m is to incite fear and loathing because that drives out turnout and that means more Republicans in office. Nothing else matters. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/34 "2018-05-30T14:21:05Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I’m trying to imagine how they think this would work. Millions of out of staters (or at least out of precinct) somehow register to vote using local addresses, and none of the people who actually live at those millions of addresses question the mail they receive in response to those registrations? You’re assuming an intellectual curiosity that is not in evidence. I feel bad saying that, because I know Trump supporters who are otherwise good people by any measure, but you cannot say they have reasoned themselves into parroting whatever their dipshit leader says. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/35 "2018-05-30T14:34:19Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > In California anyone who registers for a driver’s license gets to register to vote. > [@Icarus](#): > > Oh, child, you just enjoy yanking chains, yeah? A little wooshing to brighten your day? No? > > Otherwise, you are engaged in repeating a lie. You are lying. You are a liar. > > [Did California Pass a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections? | Snopes.com](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-motor-voter-act/) > [@elucidator](#): > > Well. OK, we got one. The Great California DMV Debacle, put that up on the board. California issues licenses/registrations to millions of illegal people, and then they spread out over the country and vote like crazy! (Did Il Douche say that most of the illegal votes were in California?) > > Kinda like a mange-infested chihuahua wins the dog show, because nobody else showed up… > [@septimus](#): > > Hi **Channing**! > > Are you a moron? or a liar? or both? Please help us out here; we’re trying to understand right-wing “cognition.” Being uninformed doesn’t make me stupid or a liar. At least I don’t throw around ad-hominem attacks to make my point. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/36 "2018-05-30T14:45:01Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Being uninformed doesn’t make me stupid or a liar. Yammering obvious nonsense most certainly is an indication of stupidity, and I’m not inclined to engage in Byzantine parsing as to whether or not doing so in willful and reckless disregard of truth constitutes lying. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/37 "2018-05-30T15:05:20Z")
Have there been any serious studies looking into how many illegals actually did vote in the election? I’m sure the number isn’t zero, but I’m genuinely curious what it might be. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/38 "2018-05-30T15:19:16Z")
Well, ever since they realized that they could use the voter fraud issue to suppress minority voters, they have instigated a number of investigations beating the bushes to find illegal voters and generally only come up with one or two examples most of which end up being honest mistakes rather than malicious intent. With so few examples and a analysis method that is intended to focus in on illegal votes rather than perform a comprehensive survey its going to be very difficult to get a population wide estimate. The best you can do is probably indicate an upper limit. Which is why these investigations tend to [peter out quietly](https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/trump-fraud-commission) without broadcasting their results. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/39 "2018-05-30T15:35:16Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Being uninformed doesn’t make me stupid or a liar. At least I don’t throw around ad-hominem attacks to make my point. You’re right, that is the least. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049/40 "2018-05-30T15:35:25Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Well, ever since they realized that they could use the voter fraud issue to suppress minority voters, they have instigated a number of investigations beating the bushes to find illegal voters and generally only come up with one or two examples most of which end up being honest mistakes rather than malicious intent. With so few examples and a analysis method that is intended to focus in on illegal votes rather than perform a comprehensive survey its going to be very difficult to get a population wide estimate. The best you can do is probably indicate an upper limit. Which is why these investigations tend to [peter out quietly](https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/trump-fraud-commission) without broadcasting their results. Trump supporter charged with [voter fraud.](https://www.theroot.com/trump-supporter-arrested-for-voter-fraud-in-iowa-1790857476) [Ex-GOP Official Who Accused Dems Of Voter Fraud Charged With Voter Fraud](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/steve-curtis-voter-fraud-colorado_us_58d250e4e4b0b22b0d183ca0) It appears that by extrapolation, millions of Trump supporters and Republicans have committed voter fraud. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-republicans-believe-trumps-illegal-vote-lie/815049.md?page=3)