# Half of Trump's voters believe in pizzagate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 28, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777 "2016-12-28T15:23:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/61 "2016-12-29T06:37:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, then Trump is the revolutionary cadre leading the proletariat in class struggle? Given their respective haircuts, I’m guessing he’s less in favor of Leninist rule and more in favor of Stalinist. Trotsky was a loser, so of course he’s out of the running. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/62 "2016-12-29T06:40:53Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m going to call for a cite about this virus. Ask and ye shall [receive](https://citp.princeton.edu/research/voting/). ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/63 "2016-12-29T06:43:06Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m going to call for a cite about this virus. Not that it affected PA, but how would it work? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/64 "2016-12-29T06:47:13Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Ask and ye shall [receive](https://citp.princeton.edu/research/voting/). Dammit, a real academic paper I have to read? Damn you, sir! ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/65 "2016-12-29T06:49:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Dammit, a real academic paper I have to read? Damn you, sir! There are videos if you prefer to TLDR. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/66 "2016-12-29T06:57:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is a testing of faith for an orthodox Cecilian. Why fight ignorance if facts don’t do any good? “Here I stand; I can do no other.” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/67 "2016-12-29T06:58:00Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > There are videos if you prefer to TLDR. Links! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/68 "2016-12-29T07:00:07Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Links! :rolleyes: > [@Punoqllads](#): > > Ask and ye shall [receive](https://citp.princeton.edu/research/voting/). ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/69 "2016-12-29T07:26:53Z")
[quote=“Snowboarder\_Bo, post:68, topic:775777”] For some reason, I can’t open on my tablet. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/70 "2016-12-29T07:41:55Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > For some reason, I can’t open on my tablet. Here; try this: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo5ZTsv8ZADpgnJIPtw-f-g](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo5ZTsv8ZADpgnJIPtw-f-g) That’s the CITP Princeton YouTube channel. The videos are all there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/71 "2016-12-29T08:28:17Z")
How many of us here have acquaintances who were fervently Bernie? If you talked to them as I did, then you got an earful of pissed off about the revelations about the DNC and Bernie. You might have had conversations, as I have, trying to calm the waters, trying to bring them past “Never Hillary, because of what she did to Bernie!” to a “Well, if its Trump, then maybe.” In several instances, among the saner and more reasonable, that argument was successful. Of course, I had lots of help. But not all. Now, this is anecdotal, but I doubt it is unique. So, the Russian interference very likely soured some people who would have come around and voted against Trump by voting for Hillary. But how many? Are there more, or less, than 80,000 of them scattered across those marginal states? I doubt we know, I doubt we ever shall, how do you do polls for that, where do you gather evidence? But 80-90,000 over several states? Certainly possible. Won’t stretch to “likely” but certainly “possible”. In which case, the Russian hacking _may_ have decided the election. Without even paying serious attention to “hacking the voting machines”, which I currently consider ridiculous. Did they know that, the Russians? Not likely, seems to me, more likely they just dumped everything they had just to stir the shit, sow dissension among Trumps opponents. And just got lucky. Personally, I think the Comey debacle likely affected the results more than the DNC hacking, but it had _some_ effect. And in five states with millions of voters, eighty thousand ain’t that much. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/72 "2016-12-29T11:35:05Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You new conservatives need to get through your heads that “liberal message board” doesn’t mean “idiot message board.” You’re not going to refute jack with a few lines or with a _tu quoque_ fallacy. Pay attention to your betters–the conservatives who have been here a while and held their own. Ya know, I am a conservative and registered Rebublican, which on this message board I do not fluant because I’m into intelligent discussion. That doesn’t stop me from taking liberal positions on certain topics. BUT trump IS A DISASTER TO THIS COUNTRY! Based on his own logic, his tiny hands make him non-presidental! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/73 "2016-12-29T11:43:38Z")
USA before any party! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/74 "2016-12-29T13:18:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It is a testing of faith for an orthodox Cecilian. Why fight ignorance if facts don’t do any good? > [@Punoqllads](#): > > We fight because we must fight. Alas. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > “Here I stand; I can do no other.” I’ll add one more: “We fight, get beat, rise and fight again” (Nathaniel Greene, American Revolutionary General) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/75 "2016-12-29T13:52:38Z")
“I get knocked down, but I get up again. You’re never going to keep me down.” - Chumbawamba ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/76 "2016-12-29T14:18:16Z")
I live, I die. I LIVE AGAIN! ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/77 "2016-12-29T14:22:08Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I mean, the guy who wants to know why Obama wasn’t in the office on 9/11? Really? The sad thing about this is that this guy has deluded himself to believe that he actually would do something to get this information if possible, but for some reason it is beyond his reach, so he makes zero effort - and then blames the powers that be of hiding the truth. “MTV: That I don’t know. I’d like to get to the bottom of that.” - indeed :smack: > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > - Chumbawamba Yea, these guys once threw a cake on some politicians face - and then cried like babies when they found out that they could face prison time for it… ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/78 "2016-12-29T15:05:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, then Trump is the revolutionary cadre leading the proletariat in class struggle? They \*think \*so. That’s the horrific joke here. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/79 "2016-12-29T15:12:40Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I see you’re familiar with the President-Elect’s oral and Twitter diarrhea. Can I still claim coinage of _ **twitterrhea** _? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/80 "2016-12-29T15:58:57Z")
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