# Half of Trump's voters believe in pizzagate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 28, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777 "2016-12-28T15:23:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/81 "2016-12-29T16:37:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Here is the [data](https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ljv2ohxmzj/econTabReport.pdf): > > Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected President > > Democrats: 17% “Definitely True”, 35% “Probably True” > > vs. > > Leaked email from some of Hillary Clinton’s campaign staffers contained code words for pedophilia, human trafficking and satanic ritual abuse - what some people refer to as ’Pizzagate’. > > Republicans: 9% “Definitely True”, 40% “Probably True” Both of these (and many other claims like this) are explained by the following observation. About 50% of partisans regardless of their true beliefs will answer whatever survey presented to them in a way that makes their guy look the best and the other guy look the worst. A few years ago Bricker started a thread about a study that demonstrated that the results of these surveys change markedly when people are given money for answering correctly. Most Trump voters probably realize that Clinton actually running a child sex ring is a bit far fetched, but that doesn’t mean they don’t like sticking it to her by answering in a survey that they think she does. > [@DinoR](#): > > Nobody’s yet mentioned that 17% of Clinton voters believed pizzagate was true and still voted for someone potentially tied to a ring of pedophile satanists? Seriously we are falling down on our snark. 17% of survey participants either a) filled in the wrong oval on the survey form b) don’t like taking surveys and so decided to screw up the results for fun c) Voted for Clinton despite not liking her and reveled at the chance to call her a pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/82 "2016-12-29T19:12:31Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Ya know, I am a conservative and registered Rebublican, which on this message board I do not fluant because I’m into intelligent discussion. Please retake your party. I long for the days of the loyal opposition. You guys work the R side and we’ll work the D side. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/83 "2016-12-29T19:57:22Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Please retake your party. I long for the days of the loyal opposition. You guys work the R side and we’ll work the D side. I’m thinking of following George Will’s example. The fact that the Republican Party wants this imbecile to lead it is beyond the pale. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/84 "2016-12-29T20:26:52Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m thinking of following George Will’s example. The fact that the Republican Party wants this imbecile to lead it is beyond the pale. I prefer to believe that it is merely a plurality that actually wants him to lead while the remainder are holding their nose and praying for divine intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/85 "2016-12-29T20:34:30Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > I prefer to believe that it is merely a plurality that actually wants him to lead while the remainder are holding their nose and praying for divine intervention. Like the “good” cops that stand by and let the bad cops do what they want, then cover for them afterwards? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/86 "2016-12-29T21:24:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Like the “good” cops that stand by and let the bad cops do what they want, then cover for them afterwards? Or the “good Germans” who weren’t Nazi supporters, oh, no. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/87 "2016-12-29T22:09:01Z")
Even the Germans had the July 20th plot. I expect there’s multiple impeach Trump cells within Republican leadership circles these days. They’re walking the party line right now but are readying papers for the day Trump makes a big enough misstep. Not that I am eager for a President Pence or anything. But at least he’s unlikely to send out a 3 am tweet that Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are losers who really don’t belong in NATO. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/88 "2016-12-30T00:01:13Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Ya know, I am a conservative and registered Rebublican, which on this message board I do not fluant because I’m into intelligent discussion. {…} > > > [@Punoqllads](#): > > > > Please retake your party. I long for the days of the loyal opposition. You guys work the R side and we’ll work the D side. Given all they (I’m not including dasmoocher here) did to “retake” their party in the days of and after Whitewater, Vince Foster, and _The Clinton Chronicles_ et al. what evidence is there that the Rs are actually interested in being the “loyal opposition”. “Pizzagate” is just another example of how low they’re willing to go. (And it’s a joke given the admissions of sexual misconduct of the folks that thought a consensual blow-job was beyond the pale.) CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/89 "2016-12-30T00:58:48Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > Nobody’s yet mentioned that 17% of Clinton voters believed pizzagate was true and still voted for someone potentially tied to a ring of pedophile satanists? Seriously we are falling down on our snark. Hey, I didn’t hear about the pizzagate nonsense until _after_ the election. Maybe that 17% regrets voting for her? I think the takeaway from both of these polls is that people don’t really listen, parse, or think when you ask them a question. If you boil both questions down to their essentials: 1. Did Russia [do something bad for] Trump? 2. Did Hillary [do something bad with] email? Then the morons have it! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/90 "2016-12-30T01:42:21Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Hey, I didn’t hear about the pizzagate nonsense until _after_ the election. I’ve only visited the Breibart site once, just to see what it was about. It’s a farce. But I’m willing to bet they were running Pizzagate stories before the election. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777/91 "2017-01-06T15:13:03Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > I prefer to believe that it is merely a plurality that actually wants him to lead while the remainder are holding their nose and praying for divine intervention. There are probably also the ones who have been discreetly informed about the dirt Uncle Vlad’s hackers dug up on them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/half-of-trumps-voters-believe-in-pizzagate/775777.md?page=4)