# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/256 "2023-10-09T17:55:19Z")
> **[WSJ News Exclusive | Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks](https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-israel-hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25)** > > The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut. Probably paywalled, but the WSJ claims that Iran actively helped coordinate these attacks. And quotes > DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah > … The US says “not that we know of” > In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.” And if true, this is a big deal > A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/257 "2023-10-09T18:05:02Z")
Looks like that guy wasn’t actually authorized to speak for the EU, per the Guardian: > As hours elapsed with no explanation, another commissioner was forced to reassure critics that civilians in Gaza were not being abandoned in the face of a “total blockade” of energy and food by [Israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel). > > The commissioner for crisis management, Janez Lenarčič, tweeted: > > EU humanitarian aid to Palestinians in need will continue as long as needed. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/258 "2023-10-09T18:05:44Z")
CNN is saying the death toll is near 900. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/259 "2023-10-09T18:10:50Z")
To be clear, this is at least 900 killed **in Israel** (mostly civilians) by the Hamas terrorists. > **[Over 900 reported killed in Israel since start of Hamas attacks](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/over-900-reported-killed-in-israel-since-start-of-hamas-attacks/)** > > \* \* \* ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/260 "2023-10-09T18:20:37Z")
Apparently Hamas has also been taking hostages. Lots of them. > **[Festivalgoers, children, soldiers: What we know about the people captured by...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/08/europe/israel-hostages-hamas-what-we-know-intl/index.html)** > > Dozens of people are believed to have been captured in Israel by Hamas fighters over the weekend. They are now being held in locations across Gaza, complicating Israel’s response to the militant group’s deadly attack on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/261 "2023-10-09T18:32:02Z")
> **[Hamas armed wing threatens to kill captives if Israel continues attacks...](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-armed-wing-threatens-kill-captives-if-israel-continues-its-pre-warning-2023-10-09/)** > > Hamas' armed wing said on Monday it will begin executing an Israeli civilian captive in return for any new Israeli bombing of civilian houses without pre-warning. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/262 "2023-10-09T18:38:39Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0SkSc39kQPI/maxresdefault.jpg "Israel orders 'complete closure' of Gaza") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SkSc39kQPI) ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/263 "2023-10-09T18:40:31Z")
No situation is ever so terrible that Elon Musk can’t make it worse. (From the Guardian, edited for length). > **X’s handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict has come under scrutiny after a “deluge” of fake posts and Elon Musk’s recommendation of war coverage from accounts that have made false claims or antisemitic comments.** > > One in five social media accounts participating in online conversations about the [Hamas](https://www.theguardian.com/world/hamas) attacks and their aftermath are fake, according to Cyabra, an Israeli analysis firm. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/264 "2023-10-09T18:44:53Z")
I remember the Arab Spring where Twitter (now X) was their lifeline to each other. So much worse since Musk, who claimed all he really wanted was truly free speech, took over and made it so, so much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/265 "2023-10-09T19:38:40Z")
Hamas now ready to discuss a ceasefire. Yeah, good luck with that. > **Hamas is open to discussions over a possible truce with [Israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel), having “achieved its targets”, a senior Hamas official has said.** > > Moussa Abu Marzouk, speaking in a phone[interview](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-live-news-israel-orders-complete-siege-of-gaza-strip)with Al Jazeera, was asked whether the group is willing to discuss a possible ceasefire. > > He replied that Hamas was open to “something of that sort” and to “all political dialogues”. > > He added Hamas had captured “tens” of dual citizens from Israel, including those with Russian and Chinese citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/266 "2023-10-09T19:58:49Z")
Do people who leave the IDF and are available to be called up have weapons at home? I may be thinking of another country. I wonder how many people who were attacked by hamas had weapons at home. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/267 "2023-10-09T20:19:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Do people who leave the IDF and are available to be called up have weapons at home? I may be thinking of another country. Sweden has that policy, I think. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/268 "2023-10-09T20:20:29Z")
Thanks, that is the country I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/269 "2023-10-09T20:24:57Z")
> [@TwoCarrotSnowman](#): > > Sweden has that policy, I think. Switzerland, not Sweden. And since 2007, just the gun, not the ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/270 "2023-10-09T20:41:17Z")
I read if an Israeli person has a lisc. they can have one gun and 50 bullets. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/271 "2023-10-09T20:46:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@TwoCarrotSnowman](#): > > > > > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > > > > > Do people who leave the IDF and are available to be called up have weapons at home? I may be thinking of another country. > > > > Sweden has that policy, I think. > > Switzerland, not Sweden. And since 2007, just the gun, not the ammo. Thanks, I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/272 "2023-10-09T21:02:58Z")
Moderating: The gun laws of Israel aren’t breaking news. If you think they are relevant to the current situation, please take it to the discussion thread, or some other thread as seems appropriate. [Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/273 "2023-10-09T23:12:55Z")
> **[Joint Statement from Quint Leaders on Israel: 9 October 2023](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-from-quint-leaders-on-israel-9-october-2023)** > > Today, the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States of America released the following joint statement following their call. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/274 "2023-10-09T23:46:03Z")
That’s a pretty strong statement of support. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/275 "2023-10-09T23:55:21Z")
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