# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/296 "2023-10-10T11:51:22Z")
Reuters has an article with maps and photos showing howe the attack began, and the initial Israeli response > **[Mapping the conflict in Israel and Gaza](https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/)** > > The latest on the attack by Hamas and Israel’s response Hamas launched a lot of missiles (2500 per Israel, 3000 per Hamas) and broke though the barriers as that was happening – the missiles were, in part, cover for the ground operation. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/297 "2023-10-10T14:29:09Z")
Sorry. A hijack that belongs in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/298 "2023-10-10T19:16:22Z")
biden and the press briefing are saying 14 us citizens dead, 20ish unaccounted. [Biden’s Israel speech: Presiident confirms US citizens among Hamas’ hostages and 14 Americans killed in attacks on Israel | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/politics/joe-biden-benjamin-netanyahu/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/299 "2023-10-10T21:34:39Z")
My understanding is that Hamas doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to exist, therefore there are no citizens or civilians, only soldiers. I guess that includes the grandmother who was killed in her home and had the graphic details posted to her own Facebook account for her family to see. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/300 "2023-10-10T23:13:58Z")
Heroes are absolutely amazing. I watched NBC nightly news and they were on scene as dozens of bodies were pulled out of houses in a kibbutz. Inbar Lieberman and her neighbors were able to defend their homes. > **[Israeli woman Inbar Lieberman, 25, is hailed a hero for saving...](https://nybreaking.com/israeli-woman-inbar-lieberman-25-is-hailed-a-hero-for-saving-kibbutz-nir-am-from-invading-hamas/)** > > Inbar Lieberman, a 25-year-old Israeli woman and security coordinator of Kibbutz Nir Am, saved the village from a Hamas attack. She led a group of residents to kill over two dozen advancing terrorists. Lieberman quickly responded to the attack and... ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/301 "2023-10-10T23:41:17Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I tried to post in-line but it wouldn’t let me. I’m not entirely sure why sometimes I can and sometimes I can’t. close the right preview pane before pasting the link … ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/302 "2023-10-11T01:09:18Z")
Israel doesn’t need the finest intelligence system in the world. It needs a descent one to be part of a larger, overlapping system that includes a rapid response team. It’s a small country. They should be able to launch weapons at breaches in their border and follow that by troops backed up by layers of ground support. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/303 "2023-10-11T01:43:53Z")
Thank you for the link. Having known people who lived in kibbutzim, I knew they had armories. It is good to know some were able to mount a defence. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/304 "2023-10-11T02:07:54Z")
Careful now, a moderator asked me not to post about that. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/305 "2023-10-11T02:23:37Z")
The horrors of that first day are still being uncovered. > **[Inside the Israeli border village where Hamas ‘atrocities’ have shocked IDF...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/kfar-aza-israel-village-hamas-attack-b2427446.html)** > > Warning: Distressing content ‘When Hamas came they cut the heads of women and children,’ an Israeli major claims while making a chopping motion towards his neck, writes Bel Trew. The bodies are hidden so it’s impossible to verify, but it is clear... Reporting of 40 dead children under 2, many beheaded. There aren’t even words… ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/306 "2023-10-11T02:38:54Z")
Oh. I thought that note was for me. I had asked the same question. I think it’s pertinent to know who may have been able to fight back. And with what weapons. My opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/307 "2023-10-11T02:42:42Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Careful now, a moderator asked me not to post about that. What do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/308 "2023-10-11T02:54:17Z")
Carni can answer. But I thought because gun questions or thoughts were not breaking news it was not allowed in this thread. Mod note up around 256 ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/309 "2023-10-11T03:04:10Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > gun questions or thoughts Huh? It was a news story about a heroic Israeli who mobilized and saved her village. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/310 "2023-10-11T03:17:31Z")
Yeh, but guns. I don’t get it really either. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/311 "2023-10-11T03:25:52Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Yeh, but guns. I have no idea what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/312 "2023-10-11T03:31:42Z")
Moderating: “This is how they did/didn’t defend themselves” is breaking news. Details are breaking news. An expression of surprise that concert-goers were unarmed in a nation in which most every young adult serves in the armed forces isn’t breaking news, but it’s the kind of short commentary that always comes up in breaking news threads. Meandering off into details of Israeli gun laws is a hijack. Complaining about moderation is a hijack, and really doesn’t belong in this thread. There’s an ATMB thread for that. This post > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Yeh, but guns. > > I don’t get it really either. Is not appropriate for this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/313 "2023-10-11T03:37:46Z")
I wasn’t complaining. Just confused. Sorry. Won’t happen again ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/314 "2023-10-11T03:47:58Z")
I’m thinking how easy the job of an Israel fighter pilot must be (in the context of this war only), compared to most other nation’s. Gaza and the West Bank having no meaningful air defense, the distance that the pilot has to fly to drop bombs and go back to base is extremely short. Just take off, bomb, land, repeat. Of course, having to go deep into Syria or Iran is a whole other story. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/315 "2023-10-11T04:15:55Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Israel doesn’t need the finest intelligence system in the world. It needs a descent one to be part of a larger, overlapping system that includes a rapid response team. It’s a small country. They should be able to launch weapons at breaches in their border and follow that by troops backed up by layers of ground support. The field intelligence battalion (which, if I am not mistaken, also controls things like remote-control guns along the Gaza Wall) was overrun. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=16)