# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/382 "2023-10-12T07:20:06Z")
As one news article mentioned, Hamas wouldn’t have launched an attack of this sort without anticipating that there would be a total Israeli ground offensive into Gaza in the weeks that would follow, and also extreme-prepping the entire Gaza region to Stalingrad it. I expect a much bigger version of the Battle of Fallujah in the coming weeks; bloodily door-by-door. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/383 "2023-10-12T12:50:54Z")
Syrian state TV says that Israel has hit Syrian airports. No more info that I can find yet. ETA: if true, the motivation for this would be (I think) to interfere with Iranian logistical support of Hezbollah. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/384 "2023-10-12T12:53:24Z")
One cite: > **[Syria says Israeli airstrikes hit airports in Damascus and Aleppo, damaging...](https://apnews.com/article/syria-israel-airstrikes-aleppo-damascus-airports-gaza-0fad08c8cad6ddcbaea20be7d8acf59e)** > > Syrian state media says Israeli airstrikes have hit the international airports of the Syrian capital Damascus and the northern city of Aleppo amid regional tensions, damaging their runways and putting them out of service. [ETA: sourcing is the same as Riemann’s…] ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/385 "2023-10-12T13:05:36Z")
According to one source, the Iranian Foreign Minister’s plane was already on its way to Syria and was forced to turn back due to the attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/386 "2023-10-12T13:11:26Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > the Iranian Foreign Minister Diplomacy is a thankless task. It’s going to be inconvenient for him to have to deboard back home with his several thousand items of checked baggage. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/387 "2023-10-12T15:42:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Nevermind. It’s not worth getting banned over.) It most certainly is worth _someone_ getting banned over, but that someone is not you. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/388 "2023-10-12T20:36:32Z")
I don’t know if this is paywalled, but it includes video of the attack on the concert. It’s been edited so you don’t actually see a lot of gore. The commentary says what happened when, presumably using timestamps from the video > **[Israel at War With Hamas](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza)** > > Recap of events Tuesday and Wednesday as Israel prepared for a ground assault in Gaza following Hamas's attack on Saturday. Also, the concert had security armed with handguns, clearly seen in the video trying to protect concert goers, but they were presumably overwhelmed. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/389 "2023-10-12T20:54:06Z")
The article is paywalled, but the video is accessible. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/390 "2023-10-12T21:30:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Biden confirms that he has seen evidence of the carnage. goddammit joe [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html) > [@](#): > > The Israeli government has not confirmed the specific claim that Hamas attackers cut off the heads of babies during their shock attack on Saturday, an Israeli official told CNN, contradicting a previous public statement by the Prime Minister’s office. > … > An IDF spokesman, Jonathan Conricus, later in the day said terrorists had [likely carried out](https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1MYGNorgjgLJw) decapitations of babies in the Be’eri kibbutz. > > “We got very very disturbing reports that came from the ground that there were babies that had been beheaded… I think we can now say with relative confidence that unfortunately this is what happened in Be’eri,” he said. > … > US President Joe Biden appeared to confirm that information. In a roundtable with Jewish community leaders on Wednesday, he said: “I have been doing this a long time, I never really thought that I would see… have confirmed pictures of terrorist beheading children.” > > A US administration official later clarified Biden’s remarks, telling CNN that neither Biden nor his aides had seen pictures or had received confirmed reports of children or infants having been beheaded by Hamas. The official clarified that Biden was referring to public comments from media outlets and Israeli officials. In a response to such horrific atrocities and with the stakes so high, it’s more important than ever to be precise with language. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/391 "2023-10-12T21:36:10Z")
Different person this time. Apparently the kibbutz has volunteer security and a small armory. I was surprised at the size of the attack. I initially thought maybe 3 or 4 terrorists were assigned to attack a specific kibbutz with military weapons. But this article states a large force attacked and retreated. Then returned to try again. It was a 3 to 5 hour fire fight! The scale of these attacks against a neighborhood with kids is terrifying. > **[Ex-soldier fought off Hamas and saved kibbutz neighbours](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67089113)** > > "I took my pistol, my clothes, my bulletproof vest and the other thing was cigarettes," says Adam. > [@](#): > > He was joined by other men from the kibbutz, he says. > > “Civilians who don’t know how to fight but have got a lot of heart. Two or three with special forces experience but the others… just regular men, they work in IT. Regular men, but very, very special.” > > Together they fought for between three and five hours - Adam isn’t exactly sure. Then came a lull. > > “We thought it was all good but then came the second wave, between eight to 10 terrorists with machine guns, with rocket-propelled grenades… They were close, 10m to 15m. I ran towards them and stood and shot and killed… a bullet to the head.” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/392 "2023-10-13T09:08:43Z")
> **['Only the beginning' says Netanyahu as Israel makes first raids into Gaza](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/now-is-time-war-says-israels-military-chief-2023-10-12/)** > > Israeli infantry made their first raids into the Gaza Strip on Friday since Hamas fighters rampaged through southern Israel, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said a campaign of retaliation had only just begun. From that story above: > Israel’s military on Friday called for all civilians of Gaza City, more than 1 million people, to relocate south within 24 hours, as it amassed tanks ahead of an expected ground invasion after a devastating attack by the militant group Hamas. > > “Now is a time for war,” Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said on Thursday as Israeli warplanes continued pounding Gaza in retaliation for the weekend attacks by Hamas militants that killed more than 1,300 Israelis, mostly civilians. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/393 "2023-10-13T09:16:42Z")
I guess _technically_ that’s giving notice. A million people in 24 hours. I understand Israel’s need to destroy Hamas, but I’m also seeing why Biden csutioned them follow the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/394 "2023-10-13T10:10:25Z")
And Hamas has instructed Gazan citizens not to evacuate. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/395 "2023-10-13T11:38:56Z")
Crazy. The guy next to you has a gun to your head saying “Don’t move”, and the guy across the border with the tanks is saying “Move, or else!” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/396 "2023-10-13T11:59:54Z")
Yeah, no shit. I wonder if there is any ‘Underground/resistance’ in Gazza that is trying to take Hamas out. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/397 "2023-10-13T12:09:51Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Crazy. The guy next to you has a gun to your head saying “Don’t move”, and the guy across the border with the tanks is saying “Move, or else!” Yeah. Sucks to be you. Holy shit, the Palestinians have been dealt a horrible hand, and now this. I imagine a lot would prefer to die as martyrs, so Israel gets enough bad press to kill its international support. But i imagine a lot would prefer to get the hell out, too. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/398 "2023-10-13T12:10:14Z")
I doubt it. Hamas has the guns. The Palestinians truly are pawns and are the world’s forsaken people. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/399 "2023-10-13T12:13:29Z")
Also, isn’t the median age in Gaza something like 18? A lot literally have no choice, as they are children. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/400 "2023-10-13T12:18:25Z")
What I was about to say. Half of Gaza residents are younger than 19. It’s unconscionable to put children in this position. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/401 "2023-10-13T12:22:01Z")
Yeah. I think that too. Hogans Hero’s was not a documentary. Pawn is sometimes used wrong though. I have often won chess games because of pawns. Or a single pawn. Pawns are also often sacrificed for a win. Which seems to be the case in this mess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=20)