# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/448 "2023-10-17T17:04:47Z")
Good point. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/449 "2023-10-17T17:48:39Z")
“The jungle? What jungle? We’re in the desert.” “I was misinformed.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/450 "2023-10-17T18:40:19Z")
It’s looking like an airstrike was carried out against a hospital in Gaza: > **[Israel-Hamas war live updates: Hamas-run Gaza health ministry says 500 killed...](https://news.yahoo.com/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-humanitarian-aid-gaza-strip-124334532.html)** > > The death toll continues to rise more than a week after Hamas launched a bloody war against Israel on Oct. 7. > **[Hamas claims hundreds killed in Gaza hospital blast; IDF says too soon to...](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-17-2023/)** > > PM tells Scholz Hamas 'are the new Nazis' as rockets fired deep into Israel \* IDF chief warns Hezbollah \* Gallant: All Hamas terrorists involved in onslaught must 'surrender or die' ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/451 "2023-10-17T18:43:51Z")
One wonders if hamas guys hid in the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/452 "2023-10-17T20:03:44Z")
No doubt, but they likely killed a bunch of sick and injured Palestinians, and a lot of medical staff, as well. I’m waiting for the email from doctors without borders to see if they lost anyone to that strike. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/453 "2023-10-17T20:08:44Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > No doubt, but they likely killed a bunch of sick and injured Palestinians, and a lot of medical staff, as well. Israeli sources say it was a Palestinian rocket that fell short. I suppose confirmation will come soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/454 "2023-10-17T20:35:18Z")
7 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/273) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/455 "2023-10-17T20:47:51Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Israeli sources say it was a Palestinian rocket that fell short. I suppose confirmation will come soon enough. Or not. Things are blowing up everywhere and there is no independent party present to conduct a study of what did or did not happen in the middle of an active war zone. The fog of war is at its most opaque right now. Hell, Israel itself might not know for sure if they did or didn’t bomb it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/456 "2023-10-17T21:01:11Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Things are blowing up everywhere and there is no independent party present to conduct a study of what did or did not happen in the middle of an active war zone. Not necessarily. There’s livestream video and the online OSINT crowd is on the case. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/457 "2023-10-17T23:13:42Z")
I was thinking Iron Dome tracking. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/458 "2023-10-17T23:22:52Z")
Here’s some reporting on the hospital hit. Israel says the video shows it wasn’t them. > **[Israel Says This Video Shows Moment Gaza Hospital Was Hit by Failed Islamic...](https://themessenger.com/news/israel-gaza-hospital-video-moment-failed-islamic-jihad-rocket-struck-killing-hundreds)** > > Israel’s Foreign Ministry posted video Tuesday that it claims shows a rocket fired from Gaza hitting the al-Ahli hospital killing hundreds. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/459 "2023-10-17T23:32:47Z")
This misfired Palestinian rocket that hit the Gaza hospital accidentally (which was sheltering Hamas leadership and munitions) sure did seem to do a lot more damage than any of the Palestinian rockets that hit their target ever do. Hell, it almost did as much damage as all the other bombs Israel has been repeatedly dropping on the same area! And this after the Israeli warning to evacuate the hospitals in case _they_ wanted to start bombing it also. Crazy stuff. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/460 "2023-10-17T23:39:56Z")
Trouble is, the IDF is documented making the occasional blatant lie in their official statements and so is Hamas, so do not make the mistake of drawing any conclusions until there is an independent inquiry of the whole thing (don’t hold your breath). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/461 "2023-10-17T23:48:42Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > This misfired Palestinian rocket that hit the Gaza hospital accidentally (which was sheltering Hamas leadership and munitions) sure did seem to do a lot more damage than any of the Palestinian rockets that hit their target ever do. Maybe that’s because the IDF doesn’t keep its bombs buried underneath Israeli hospitals 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/462 "2023-10-17T23:52:32Z")
Can you imagine? First they make their own hospital a legitimate wartime target, then they bomb it themselves! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/463 "2023-10-17T23:55:56Z")
I don’t recall instances of that. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/464 "2023-10-17T23:59:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Maybe that’s because the IDF doesn’t keep its bombs buried underneath Israeli hospitals 🤔 From the videos, there’s no sign of any secondary explosions, which would be an indicator of the “buried bombs” you describe. If it was a Hamas missile that failed, then it would likely be carrying most of its propellant fuel. It’s difficult to assess the distance, but there were rockets being launched maybe a mile away. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/465 "2023-10-18T00:58:22Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > If it was a Hamas missile that failed, then it would likely be carrying most of its propellant fuel. There have been a few analyses of the hospital explosion on GeoConfirmed and the conclusions I’ve seen agree with you - that the large explosion would have been caused by unburnt rocket fuel. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/466 "2023-10-18T01:43:51Z")
Hamas made the rockets from water pipe they dug up. What do they use for propellant and warheads? How do they launch them? I would think they are simply ballistic without guidance. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/467 "2023-10-18T01:51:52Z")
A section of the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon has been set on fire by thousands of Hezbollah supporters. Things seem to be spiraling out of control. Calm & rational adults need to get together to deescalate the situation. What have Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan been doing? Isn’t this in their wheelhouse? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=23)