# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/468 "2023-10-18T01:58:37Z")
I’m not sure if the actual embassy itself was set on fire, but there have been big protests across the Middle East this night. > ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/469 "2023-10-18T02:17:55Z")
Would you like them to fly to Lebanon in their special supersonic jets, and fight Hezbollah like John Wick, gunning down hundreds and killing some with a pencil? Or maybe they ARE doing a bunch of diplomatic things, and just don’t have the common courtesy to inform you personally in an email about every detail as it transpires? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/470 "2023-10-18T02:26:21Z")
Well, they did change the travel advisory for Lebanon to: ‘Level 4: Do Not Travel’. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/471 "2023-10-18T03:31:39Z")
6 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/318) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/472 "2023-10-18T18:54:46Z")
[https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/gaza-humanitarian-aid-entry-israel-netanyahu-biden](https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/gaza-humanitarian-aid-entry-israel-netanyahu-biden) Looks like aid may enter Gaza soon through Egypt thanks to Biden. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/473 "2023-10-18T19:07:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Would you like them to fly to Lebanon in their special supersonic jets, and fight Hezbollah like John Wick, gunning down hundreds and killing some with a pencil? Don’t be ridiculous! I think that it will be more like the movie “Missing in Action” with Chuck Norris. They’ll emerge in slow motion from the Med, with belts of 50 cal ammo criss-crossing their upper bodies, as they spray 50 cal rounds (these will be “Smart” rounds), each one of which only takes out a Hamas member. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/474 "2023-10-18T19:13:56Z")
This is the breaking news thread, please keep observations like this to other threads. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/475 "2023-10-19T02:49:05Z")
Murder a teen with a feeding tube and in a wheelchair. There was no way the dad could run and hide with his daughter. She’s too big to carry and run. > **[Bodies of Israeli dad, wheelchair-bound 16-year-old daughter found 12 days...](https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/bodies-of-erick-ruth-peretz-found-after-hamas-festival-massacre/)** > > Erick Peretz and his 16-year-old daughter Ruth – who was wheelchair-bound with cerebral palsy and muscular dystrophy — were found Wednesday at the site of the Supernova Sukkot Gathering. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/476 "2023-10-19T03:17:41Z")
nevermind… ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/477 "2023-10-19T03:31:37Z")
How did Hamas get this much detail about each settlement? That has to be investigated and remedied. I expect a lot of security changes are already being planned and implemented ASAP. Link [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleeast/hamas-documents-invs/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleeast/hamas-documents-invs/index.html) > [@](#): > > The color-coded document includes detailed information about the kibbutz’s guards and security. It says that one group of militants would break through the community’s fence, while others were ordered to “capture soldiers and civilians and to keep hostages” for negotiation. > > Yarden Reskin, a member of Mefalsim’s volunteer security force who spent hours exchanging fire with militants – helping prevent any deaths inside the community – said he was shocked by the level of detail. > > “They knew everything,” Reskin said. “They knew where are the gates, they knew where are the generators, they knew where is the armory, they knew basically how many of us on the security team… they had very, very good intel. > > Another purported Hamas document laying out plans to attack the nearby kibbutz of Sa’ad, which CNN obtained from a senior Israeli government official, was even more chilling. It listed the attackers’ goal as “inflicting the maximum possible human casualties.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/478 "2023-10-19T04:04:28Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How did Hamas get this much detail about each settlement? Drones, internet searches, social media ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/479 "2023-10-19T12:24:49Z")
Dedicated people. Time. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/480 "2023-10-19T14:16:05Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Dedicated people. Time . Two things Gaza has a surplus of. Like the elaborate escape plans in POW escape dramas. The people involved have very narrow goals and lots of time to ponder how to achieve them. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/481 "2023-10-19T22:10:18Z")
The war is already trying to spread. US Navy intercepted Yemen missiles before they could potentially strike Israel and widen the war. > **[US Navy destroyer in Red Sea shoots down cruise missiles fired by Houthis in...](https://abcnews.go.com/International/security-incident-involving-us-navy-destroyer-red-sea/story?id=104147141)** > > It's said the Iranian-backed Houthis' missiles were not aimed at the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/482 "2023-10-19T22:30:11Z")
I’d imagine, Hamas must have had one or a few people whose job it was to scout out the kibbutzes directly in person, maybe for weeks or months. Photos, mapping, observation, everything. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/483 "2023-10-19T23:32:09Z")
There would be grounds keepers, delivery drivers etc. going in and out of the kibbutzes. Only takes a few spies to gather intel. The President will be on tv tonight explaining US involvement defending Israel. It’s pretty unusual for our military to intervene and shoot down missles. I understand the US is trying to stop outside provocations that could widen the conflict. I’ll be interesting to hear the President tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/484 "2023-10-20T00:03:11Z")
Question for the people paying closer attention than me. Based on the latest reporting and the photographs I’ve seen, it seems most likely that Israel was not responsible for the explosion at the hospital. The lack of a blast crater, the minimal amount of structural damage to the hospital building itself and the lack of pock marks due to fragmentation all suggest this was not a modern high explosive which is what Israel would assuredly use for an airstrike or cruise missile attack. However, the news still seems to be talking about this as if it’s a major event in terms of loss of life. The term has consistently been hundreds of casualties (estimates I’ve seen in the 300-500 range). Is this relatively reliable information? The photos of the burned-out cars in the parking lot next to the hospital don’t seem to jibe with the idea of “hundreds” dead or seriously injured. Unless there was a mass gathering in the parking lot, I just don’t know how that’s likely based on the damage I’ve seen. What’s does the best information we have now suggest is true? Are the casualty reports just as dubious as the bomb strike information? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/485 "2023-10-20T00:11:41Z")
Here’s the US intelligence assessment, for what it’s worth: > [@](#): > > The US intelligence community also estimates the number of deaths from the hospital at the “low end of the 100-to-300 spectrum,” according to the assessment, a lower number than figures initially cited by Hamas of more than 500. [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/us-intelligence-assessment-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/19/politics/us-intelligence-assessment-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/486 "2023-10-20T01:24:00Z")
Thanks. I have a suspicion that this number is still inflated, or else the photos of the damage are incomplete. Certainly 100 people could be killed if a bunch of rocket fuel immolated them while gathered outside, but fortunately we haven’t seen any phots of that carnage. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/487 "2023-10-20T01:35:39Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > …but fortunately we haven’t seen any phots of that carnage. Well, you may not have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=24)