# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/508 "2023-10-21T19:34:56Z")
Hamas is the governing body of the region. Morally and legally they should be providing the people they represent with the necessary aid to sustain them in a war they started. More to the point, the World should be asking why this isn’t happening. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/509 "2023-10-21T19:36:48Z")
I think you want [the other thread,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/498) these posts are not breaking news. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/510 "2023-10-21T19:58:11Z")
[BBC 13 October](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67097124) I **srael targets Hamas’s labyrinth of tunnels under Gaza** - At its peak, [almost 2,500 tunnels running underneath the Egyptian border were used to smuggle in commercial goods, fuel and weapons](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-egypt-tunnels-idUSKCN0ST1N620151104) by Hamas and other militant groups. - **Israel says it is striking parts of a secret labyrinth of tunnels built underneath the Gaza Strip by Hamas, as it continues to retaliate for the Palestinian Islamist militant group’s unprecedented cross-border attack on Saturday.** - “Think of the Gaza Strip as one layer for civilians and then another layer for Hamas. We are trying to get to that second layer that Hamas has built,” an [Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson said in a video on Thursday](https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1712282365924343910). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/511 "2023-10-21T20:19:07Z")
Yup, this thread is for news, not for speculations and broader questions. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/512 "2023-10-21T20:25:33Z")
Acknowledged with a news article. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/513 "2023-10-22T00:54:18Z")
Despite their reluctance to accept Gazans into Egypt, are they complicit with tunnel entrances in Egypt? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/514 "2023-10-22T16:25:47Z")
The majority of the Gazan population has now been displaced ([CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-22-23/h_2f403da5780eb7271ca1504fdb6f1a0a)): > [@](#): > > About 1.4 million people, constituting over 60% of Gaza’s population of about 2 million, have been displaced since October 7, according to the UN’s Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/515 "2023-10-23T00:27:46Z")
Being at war sucks. Being at war in a war zone is worse than being at war outside a war zone, whatever side you are on. > **[Around half a million people displaced in Israel - I24NEWS](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1697526771-around-half-a-million-people-displaced-in-israel)** > > Many civilians from the south and the north of the country find refuge at their families' homes - Clink the link for more. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/516 "2023-10-23T01:23:41Z")
United Nations warns that Palestinian civilians face starvation: > [@](#): > > The ongoing blockade of Gaza has pushed the enclave’s 2.3 million people to the brink of starvation, Cindy McCain, executive director of the U.N.’s World Food Program, warned on Sunday. > > Israel has besieged the densely populated coastal region for almost two weeks, refusing to allow in food and medical aid amid fears it could fall into the hands of the militant group Hamas. > > … > > “Right now we’re facing a catastrophe in the area with the inability to feed people and the inability for the people to find anything to eat at all,” McCain said in an interview Sunday. “These people are going to starve to death unless we can get in.” > **[UN warns of Gaza catastrophe as Israel prepares ground invasion](https://www.politico.eu/article/gaza-humanitarian-catastrophe-united-nations-warn-israel-prepare-ground-invasion/)** > > ‘These people are going to starve to death unless we can get in,’ executive director of UN World Food Program tells POLITICO. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/517 "2023-10-23T13:59:46Z")
EDIT-It might better fit in the discussion thread. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/518 "2023-10-23T17:08:53Z")
50 hostages being released: > ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/519 "2023-10-23T18:12:17Z")
> **[Netanyahu told to ‘quit now’ as ex-leaders pin blame on dysfunctional government](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/netanyahu-told-to-quit-now-as-ex-leaders-pin-blame-on-dysfunctional-government)** > > Former military officers and politicians say prime minister bears responsibility for the failures that led to the Hamas incursion 80% of Israelis say Netanyahu is to blame. He needs to go, preferably to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/520 "2023-10-23T18:23:12Z")
Israel continues to try and deal with misinformation while showing respect to the dead: > **[IDF shows foreign press Hamas bodycam videos, photos of murder, torture,...](https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shows-foreign-press-raw-hamas-bodycam-videos-of-murder-torture-decapitation/)** > > Government says it's revealing horrific footage collected from various sources to the media in order to fight 'Holocaust-like denials' of Hamas's massacres in southern Israel > [@](#): > > The government said it had decided to show journalists part of its collected documentation in order to dispel what a spokesperson characterized as “a Holocaust-denial-like phenomenon happening in real-time,” as doubts have been raised around the world about some of the most horrific of Hamas’s atrocities. > [@](#): > > In one pair of videos that were screened, Hamas terrorists are seen dressed in IDF uniforms, flagging down passing cars and then shooting their occupants. > [@](#): > > In another, a man writhes on the ground, bleeding from his stomach, as a terrorist tries repeatedly to decapitate him with farming equipment. The man appears to be southeast Asian, possibly one of Israel’s foreign agricultural workers. > > In another clip, from after the assault, an Israeli woman is seen trying to work out if a partially burned woman’s corpse, with a mutilated head, is that of a family member. The dead woman’s dress is pulled up to her waist and her underpants have been removed. > > Major Gen. Mickey Edelstein, who briefed reporters after the viewing, said that “we have evidence” of rape but “we cannot share it,” declining to elaborate further. > [@](#): > > In another, a young girl — revealed by Israeli media to be a 19-year-old soldier — wears bloody sweatpants while being dragged out of the trunk of a car to a chorus of cheers. One man yells in English, “You’re in Gaza!” Most of the footage came from go-pros worn by the terrorists as they slaughtered Israeli civilians. > [@](#): > > In the second segment, captured through a call recording application on a victim’s phone, a different son reaches out to a different father. “Dad, I killed 10 with my bare hands,” the terrorist excitedly tells his father in Gaza. “Their blood is on my hands, let me speak to Mom.” > > “Please be proud of me, Dad,” he adds. > > Identified by his father as Mahmoud, the terrorist says he is calling his family from the phone of a Jewish woman he’s just murdered, and implores them to check his WhatsApp messages for further documentation. It is always shocking to see the evil depths to which human beings will sink. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/521 "2023-10-23T21:09:06Z")
CNN is only reporting two hostages released. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/522 "2023-10-23T21:11:03Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > CNN is only reporting two hostages released An 85 and 83 year old - both founding members of one of the Kibbutzim that was hit. Their husbands are still in captivity, potentially as a way to keep them from talking to the media (the earlier hostages also still have family in Gaza, from what I saw reported). ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/523 "2023-10-23T22:02:25Z")
It fell through: > ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/524 "2023-10-23T23:57:44Z")
Yeah. I read that. Thanks for posting it. CNN don’t know everything. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/525 "2023-10-24T04:15:23Z")
Gift link > **[U.S. readies plans for mass evacuations if Gaza war escalates](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/23/us-evacuation-plans-israel-lebanon-hamas-war/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk4MDMzNjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk5NDE5NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTgwMzM2MDAsImp0aSI6ImU0OWY3OTI2LWQ5YzItNGNjZS04MTgwLWQ4MjI2NTliMjE3YyIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb25hbC1zZWN1cml0eS8yMDIzLzEwLzIzL3VzLWV2YWN1YXRpb24tcGxhbnMtaXNyYWVsLWxlYmFub24taGFtYXMtd2FyLyJ9.HqOva-_9V8Pi9R3NVpUMDzUrd0H4il2qDzxuxrWUj9A&itid=gfta)** > > Officials said Americans living in Israel and Lebanon are of particular concern, but they stressed that an evacuation of such magnitude is a worst-case scenario. > **U.S. readies plans for mass evacuations if Gaza war escalates** > > The Biden administration is preparing for the possibility that hundreds of thousands of American citizens will require evacuation from the Middle East if the bloodshed in Gaza cannot be contained, according to four officials familiar with the U.S. government’s contingency planning. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/526 "2023-10-24T04:39:32Z")
Statement by President Barack Obama on Israel and Gaza: > **[Thoughts on Israel and Gaza](https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-israel-and-gaza-a6c397f09a30)** > > It’s been 17 days since Hamas launched its horrific attack against Israel, killing over 1,400 Israeli citizens, including defenseless… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/527 "2023-10-24T14:43:08Z")
Trump’s statement on the attack: > “Two nights ago I read all of Biden’s security people … they said, ‘Gee, I hope Hezbollah doesn’t attack from the north, because that’s the most vulnerable spot.’ I said, ‘Wait a minute. You know, Hezbollah is very smart.’ They’re all very smart,” Trump said, going on to add that “the press doesn’t like when” he says things like that, as he has when praising the effectiveness of China’s authoritarian President Xi Jinping. > > Trump swiped at two top Israeli officials, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom Trump once appeared to be close. > > “They [Israel] have a national defense minister … if you listen to this jerk, you would attack from the north because he said that’s our weak spot,” Trump said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234.md?page=26)