# Hamas attacks Israel, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news, israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 7, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234 "2023-10-07T10:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/568 "2023-11-01T22:20:28Z")
I heard a discussion around that last night on NPR This is not what i heard, but covers similar ground. Listen to: What does international law say about Israel-Hamas war - > **[🔊 Listen Now: What does international law say about Israel-Hamas war](https://one.npr.org/?sharedMediaId=1209719033:1209719043)** > > Here & Now on NPR One | 10:43 Hamas violating the laws of war (indisputable) does not give Israel the right to do so in response. There are disputes as to whether Israel has yet violated these laws, but it seems likely. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/569 "2023-11-01T22:36:09Z")
Hamas did not exist in 1967 [but whatever happened in 1967 or earlier is hardly breaking news]. In any case, it is not supposed to matter who is “more at fault” or “who started it” when it comes to protecting people not taking part in the hostilities. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/570 "2023-11-01T22:38:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Hamas violating the laws of war (indisputable) does not give Israel the right to do so in response The argument isn’t based on tit for tat “you violated laws of war so we get to” revenge logic. The argument is that a building with civilians in it is not protected by the laws of war if used by Hamas for combat operations; in fact engaging in military operations out of a protected location such as a hospital _is in and of itself a war crime_, and so Israel is not guilty of war crimes if they bomb a building from which Hamas’s actions removed protection. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/571 "2023-11-01T23:07:58Z")
I think the bottom line is that the rules or law were not designed to make it impossible to win a war - if they were, nobody would have signed them. They were intended to temper the excesses of war, not to affect the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/572 "2023-11-02T02:04:26Z")
4 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/798) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/575 "2023-11-02T01:26:52Z")
Hey guys take your debate to the discussion thread please. Flagged of course. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/577 "2023-11-02T02:03:31Z")
Moderating v > [@What\_Exit](#): > > Hey guys take your debate to the discussion thread please. > > Flagged of course. Yes, what he said. I’m moving some more posts. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/578 "2023-11-02T02:25:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/579 "2023-11-02T04:36:29Z")
Current military situation map: > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/580 "2023-11-02T19:49:57Z")
> The encirclement is the easy part. IDF forces have been moving through mostly open terrain with armored vehicles and have not yet entered urban areas to any great extent. Urban areas will be a great leveller and the terrain that best suits the irregular forces of the Hamas fighters. It remains to be seen to what extent IDF forces will attempt to enter Gaza City or whether they will instead lay siege to it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/581 "2023-12-01T00:55:04Z")
Not sure this has been posted, but this is an interesting bit of news. This is a gift link that you should be able to read: > **[Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ck0.TJ3q.LtQ3ptqYcyJA&smid=url-share)** > > A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/582 "2023-12-25T16:22:14Z")
Seems Hamas has no interest in giving up power (not surprised): - [Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject Gaza gov. overhaul for permanent ceasefire, Egyptian sources say](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-islamic-jihad-reject-giving-up-power-return-permanent-ceasefire-egyptian-2023-12-25/) ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/583 "2024-02-08T16:15:06Z")
Not concrete news per se, but the Israeli government has announced that the latest round of ceasefire negotiations has failed. Also, that the IDF is preparing to clear Rafah [of enemy forces and organized resistance] next. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/584 "2024-02-24T14:41:41Z")
Hamas need to be wiped out, they cannot be seen to survive as an organisation or government from the October massacre ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/585 "2024-02-24T14:45:14Z")
Moderating: > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Hamas need to be wiped out, they cannot be seen to survive as an organisation or government from the October massacre This is the breaking news thread. There’s a general discussion thread in MPSIMS, and another one in the pit. This comment is better for one of those. > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317): > > This is a dedicated discussion thread for the following Breaking News thread: If you have a news item to post, please post it in the other thread. If you have something that you wish to discuss in more detail, please use this thread. If your post is directly related to a news item that was posted in the other thread, please link to the news post for reference. Or > [@Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-for-the-israel-hamas-war-a-thread-in-the-pit/992653): > > The Israel-Hamas War is likely to continue for many more months, so it probably deserves a thread in the Pit where it can be discussed more freely. In the Pit, of course, one is able to viciously attack other posters, if necessary, and even go so far as to inform them that they have misrepresented your posts. So let’s get going… I’m going to start by saying I fucking love the fact that I’m on exactly the same page on this issue as Barack Obama. He’s somebody that believes in looking at things… ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/586 "2024-02-26T11:51:53Z")
The Palestinian PM and Cabinet have resigned. [https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/26/middleeast/palestinian-authority-prime-minister-resigns-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/26/middleeast/palestinian-authority-prime-minister-resigns-intl/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/587 "2024-08-05T21:37:05Z")
UN fires nine more United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) employees for possible involvement in October attack: > **[Nine UNRWA staff to be fired for potential role in 7 October attacks on Israel](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841)** > > The UN said on Monday that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA will be sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel.  Israeli parliament considers designating UNRWA a terrorist organization: [https://m.knesset.gov.il/en/news/pressreleases/pages/press22724y.aspx](https://m.knesset.gov.il/en/news/pressreleases/pages/press22724y.aspx) ~Max ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/588 "2024-08-06T02:04:37Z")
nm, nm ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hamas-attacks-israel-october-2023/991234/589 "2024-08-22T16:24:46Z")
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