# handy does Cybersquatting & gets a lot of press **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 18, 2000, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917 "2000-07-18T00:37:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/1 "2000-07-18T00:37:48Z")
Yes, in '99 I got this brilliant idea to get a new web site called [sandykoffman.com](http://sandykoffman.com) So? Well, our mayor of 5 years, her name is Sandy Koffman. Year 2000 is our election year. Spent $70 for two years, free website & setup. Well, one new person running for mayor is Susan Goldbeck. I got this real neat idea, to put a huge banner on the web site that said “Elect Susan Goldbeck for Mayor” [see [gwbush.com](http://gwbush.com) for a similar idea] Guess who noticed? Sandy, Susan & the Carmel Pine Cone & the Monterey Peninsula Herald newspapers…so far & it hasn’t been a week yet. I took the banner off. I put up something about the current mayors special interests. But the press are still contacting me. So, anyone else out there doing any Cybersquatting? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/2 "2000-07-18T00:39:17Z")
I’m more into Cyberthrusting. (If you know what I mean :o) ---
**Author:** ![oldscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ed655f/32.png) [@oldscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldscratch)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/3 "2000-07-18T00:39:30Z")
No, but you should check out press about SF’s most recent mayorial election. The political consultant for Clint Reily got the job because he grabbed all the available web sites for both Clint Reily and Willie Brown ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/4 "2000-07-18T08:18:23Z")
I hope you’re not planning to cash in…there’s been a rash of lawsuits on both sides of the Atlantic recently, where courts have (IIRC) without exception ruled against the cybersquatters. ---
**Author:** ![Poto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ab992/32.png) [@Poto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poto)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/5 "2000-07-18T11:11:11Z")
Should Pacific Grove city employees be paid to lose weight? Yes (4) 15% No (20) 77% Don’t Care (2) 8% From the handy page Of the 15%, how much would they pay? ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/6 "2000-07-18T12:08:10Z")
Ok, maybe I’m not understanding the whole premis behind this, but why are the courts ruling against cybersquaters? I mean especially in the US, capitalism is our motto. IMHO, if a person can see far enough in advance to reserve a site that could go to a big company, and asks that company for a large amount of money in exchange for the site name, how is that any different from some guy buying all the Orange Juice in the country and selling it for as much as he can get? (just an example, but you get the idea) ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/7 "2000-07-18T14:02:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atrael \* > \*\*Ok, maybe I’m not understanding the whole premis behind this, but why are the courts ruling against cybersquaters? I mean especially in the US, capitalism is our motto. IMHO, if a person can see far enough in advance to reserve a site that could go to a big company, and asks that company for a large amount of money in exchange for the site name, how is that any different from some guy buying all the Orange Juice in the country and selling it for as much as he can get? (just an example, but you get the idea) \*\* I think the problem is trademark infringement. I think they lose if they try to use a name that another company has and have no other claim on it. You could probably get and auction [http://www.beer.com](http://www.beer.com), but not [http://www.Budweiser.com](http://www.Budweiser.com). (note: abbreviations don’t always hold - TNT tv didn’t get TNT, the overnight company did.). Also, some people who squat on a name use it to promote stuff. Selling stuff on, say, [http://www.clinton.com](http://www.clinton.com) would imply an endorsement. Guess it comes under misleading advertising. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/8 "2000-07-18T14:06:34Z")
It’s still a vaguely grey area, but the rulings are based on the idea that cybersquatters are buying up names with the sole intention of (for want of a better phrase) holding the owners to ransom over them. In the case of registered trademarks it’s a fairly clear infringement, and recently several celebs have won similar cases… > [@](#): > > Actress Julia Roberts has won a legal battle to prevent anyone else using her name as an internet domain name. The World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO) granted Roberts exclusive rights to her name after she filed a complaint against US cybersquatter Russell Boyd… > > Boyd - a dealer in famous names - was the first person to register the Pretty Woman star’s title as the web address [juliaroberts.com](http://juliaroberts.com). But the WIPO’s arbitration panel ruled that Roberts had common law trademark rights on her name and that Boyd had “no rights or legitimate interest in the domain name”. The Hollywood actress is just one of 531 claimants from 52 countries to have filed similar complaints with the WIPO. (from [http://news.bbc.co.uk](http://news.bbc.co.uk)) The Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (1999) allows for this kind of action in the US. Further details are available [here](http://owdlaw.com/internet/cybersquatting.shtml). > [@](#): > > Specifically, the Act prohibits registering a domain name that is identical or confusingly similar to the name of a living person “with the specific intent to profit from such name by selling the domain name”. And possibly relating to handy’s site: > [@](#): > > Additionally, the Act directs the Secretary of Commerce to conduct further studies and make recommendations for additional rules to prevent “abusive” registration of domain names that consist in whole or in part of personal names, including the names of government officials and candidates for public office. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/9 "2000-07-18T14:11:18Z")
Some more…from the World Intellectual Property Organisation ([http://www.wipo.org/eng/main.htm](http://www.wipo.org/eng/main.htm)): > [@](#): > > Paragraph 4(b) of the ICANN Policy sets out the following examples of circumstances that will be considered by an Administrative Panel to be evidence of the bad faith registration and use of a domain name: > > (i) Circumstances indicating that the domain name was registered or acquired primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration to the complainant who is the owner of the trademark or service mark or to a competitor of that complainant, for valuable consideration in excess of the domain name registrant’s out-of-pocket costs directly related to the domain name; or > > (ii) The domain name was registered in order to prevent the owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, provided that the domain name registrant has engaged in a pattern of such conduct; or > > (iii) The domain name was registered primarily for the purpose of disrupting the business of a competitor; or > > (iv) By using the domain name, the domain name registrant intentionally attempted to attract for financial gain, Internet users to the registrant’s web site or other on-line location, by creating a likelihood of confusion with the complainant’s mark as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of the registrant’s web site or location or of a product or service on the registrant’s web site or location. > > The above examples are not exclusive and other circumstances may exist that demonstrate the registration and use of a domain name in bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/10 "2000-07-18T14:24:08Z")
Question re the Julia Roberts thing. Say there’s this celebrity, I don’t know, Roberta July. And say my name is Robert A. July. Do you think they would rule against me if I registered [http://www.robertajuly.com](http://www.robertajuly.com) before she did? ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/11 "2000-07-18T14:30:22Z")
Unfortunately, they could well do, matt… > [@](#): > > Because the liability standard turns on the registrant’s subjective intent, even someone coincidentally named Vanna White would run afoul of the law if she registers her own name as a domain name with the intent to sell the domain name, either to the famous Ms. White or to a third party. Note that the Act makes no distinction between whether the person whose name is similar to the domain name is famous or not. Even ordinary people are protected against having their names cyberpirated by companies or individuals scooping up large numbers of domain names in the hopes of ransoming them back to the people who happen to have those names. (from the link I posted regarding the Act) ---
**Author:** ![Chef\_Troy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Chef\_Troy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chef_Troy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/12 "2000-07-18T14:37:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*I’m more into Cyberthrusting. (If you know what I mean :o) \*\* Arnold, we _always_ know what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![jayron\_32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/41988e/32.png) [@jayron\_32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayron_32)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/13 "2000-07-18T14:37:58Z")
it bears highlighting that the key phrase in this whole thing is “ **with the intent to sell the domain name,** ” If you were named Van Nawhite and registered the domain “vannawhite” and made use of the website in a constructive manner (i.e. put up your personal homepage, tried to hawk a product, etc.) and in general did not either attempt to sell the domain back to Vanna White or use the site to profit from her celebrity, you would probably be in the clear. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/14 "2000-07-18T14:43:34Z")
jayron 32: I think this is the really grey area. As the quote above says, there are investigations underway to bring about clear regulations in this area (_italics are mine_): > [@](#): > > Additionally, the Act directs the Secretary of Commerce to conduct further studies and make recommendations for additional rules to prevent “abusive” registration of domain names that consist in whole or in part of personal names, including _(but not limited to, I assume)_ the names of government officials and candidates for public office. On the other hand, legitimate business people shouldn’t worry. There was another story recently about the software developer Infogrames paying an American businessman a seven figure sum for his domain name, **[ronaldo.com](http://ronaldo.com)**. Infogrames wanted it for their new football game (based around the Brazilian footballer Ronaldo), but as it was used as a legitimate small business they couldn’t take legal action. ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/15 "2000-07-18T15:21:08Z")
While you guys duke it out over the finer legalities, I want to address something in the OP that everyone has overlooked… The CARMEL PINE CONE??? That’s a real newspaper? Is it run by a troop of Girl Scouts? Does their name give them credibility problems? I mean if the Pine Cone had broken the Watergate case, Nixon might have made it to Mt. Rushmore. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/16 "2000-07-18T15:34:37Z")
> [@](#): > > **The CARMEL PINE CONE???** Its a California thang. ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/17 "2000-07-18T15:52:56Z")
Wait wait wait…I don’t think you understand my question. I understand what the law says, I just don’t understand why it’s legal. I can understand it if you register a domain name that is someone else’s trademark (i.e. [straightdope.com](http://straightdope.com)) But if I have the forsight to register and reserve the domain [ibm.com](http://ibm.com) years before IBM thinks of making a website, well, I should be able to reap the benifits of that intuition. Again, if I sense that there’s going to be a market for pink shoelaces next year, and I buy up all the options on pink shoelaces that are available, and charge $20 a pop for people to buy them, how is that different? ---
**Author:** ![MadPoet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8c91f0/32.png) [@MadPoet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadPoet)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/18 "2000-07-18T16:43:00Z")
If you thought that McDonalds was going to move into your area, you couldn’t decorate a building with the McDonalds logo and characters, and then sell shoes in it, waiting for them to offer to buy the building. You’re stepping on their trademark. You also can’t have Ronald McDonald in your condom advertising without McDonald’s permission. Taking a web site is a worse offense, because it is a limited resource, and very valuable to the owner. I think there are times when the attacks are taken too far. Under the current climate, if two companies share a common trademark, the bigger one wins, despite how long the smaller has had the trademark, or if they are even in competing markets. I’m actually having to worry about my own website, as I’ve found that there is a band in Seattle called MadPoet, and they have expressed interest in my site (they’ve been cool, only asking if I could make a link to their homepage). If they decided to press the issue, I couldn’t afford to defend it, and it would be hard to prove who was MadPoet first. ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/19 "2000-07-18T16:55:11Z")
Okay, let me set some of this straight. First, if you register any part of a a trademark name, say, Ford, you can be sued $200,000 per site [I think thats the right amount of money] as a guy tried that on [ebay.com](http://ebay.com) [[ford-parts.com](http://ford-parts.com)]. You cannot sell such a name for profit in the US. Next, personal names, can indeed be registered. Check at: [WillieBrown.com](http://WillieBrown.com) a more lengthly explanation of this at: [http://www.williebrown.com/hasse.html](http://www.williebrown.com/hasse.html) However, if you take a persons’ name you cannot pretend to be the person. I wasn’t planning on selling it anyway. Best $70 I ever spent. ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2000, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917/20 "2000-07-18T17:26:58Z")
**handy** - I don’t want to cast any aspersions on why you have the site, I just wanted to point out that anyone registering a domain name should be careful that they can provide legitimate reasons why they have chose it (and, more cynically, can afford better lawyers than any potential complainants). However, in your case, the possible regulations against registering domain names for current or potential public officials could be a problem, if they come into effect. **Atrael** - unfortunately, it doesn’t work like that. I don’t think the courts see it as “foresight”; I think they see it as a bunch of chancers who spend a couple of minutes registering every company/celebrity name they can think of - it’s not really like you’ve put a huge effort into starting, maintaining and advertising a business. > [@](#): > > I can understand it if you register a domain name that is someone else’s trademark (i.e. [straightdope.com](http://straightdope.com)) But if I have the forsight to register and reserve the domain [ibm.com](http://ibm.com) years before IBM thinks of making a website, well, I should be able to reap the benifits of that intuition. IBM is a trademark. The medium doesn’t matter, the fact that the name was “owned” long before the web was around does. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/handy-does-cybersquatting-gets-a-lot-of-press/25917.md?page=2)