# Hang on … where are the well ordered militias? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961 "2020-07-21T22:56:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/21 "2020-07-23T02:10:05Z")
The actual well-ordered militia is the National Guard, and, if this actually does continue, I do expect them to be called up. The fake, self-appointed “well-ordered militia” that the right talks about? Those _are_ the neo-Nazis in the streets. We saw them in action when we had our BLM protest here in my sleepy town. Turns out they were the ones the cops were afraid of, since they were the ones with the guns and violent rhetoric. They were the ones the business owners turned away, while giving water bottles to the protesters. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/22 "2020-07-23T09:03:59Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > A lot of them do work for the US DoD, but, who knows, with the right bankroll you too, or your neighborhood/city, could hire a private army of professional soldiers and consultants. Yes that’s certainly an option if you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/23 "2020-07-23T10:57:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The actual well-ordered militia is the National Guard, and, if this actually does continue, I do expect them to be called up. I’m not sure that’ll pan out, since Trump can just pull the old “Ike switcheroo” and federalize the national guard after state call up and then order them to do the exact opposite of whatever the governor wanted them to do. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2020, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/24 "2020-07-23T12:52:59Z")
From an Australian satire site: > **[NRA Accidentally Forgets To Rise Up Against Tyrannical Government](https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/)** > > “This is the one we’ve been talking about! Damn it!” ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/25 "2020-07-24T01:39:46Z")
Rest assured, if Obama had done this or if President Biden does it, the militianaries would lose their shit. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/26 "2020-07-24T03:27:33Z")
Just came across this report from the scene: [The Battle of Portland: Trump’s escalating tactics against protesters are backfiring in Oregon](https://news.yahoo.com/the-battle-of-portland-trumps-escalating-tactics-against-protestors-are-backfiring-in-oregon-200349636.html), Patrick Symmes, Yahoo News, July 23, 2020. From near the end of the article: > [@](#): > > But the live-streaming of this moment in our history is having an effect, drawing global attention to a conflict conducted over just a few blocks of physical space. The last time I had been at a protest here, it featured countless American flags and a cowboy on a beautiful bay horse, all to support Ammon Bundy, the right-wing rancher on trial here in 2017 for his role in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation. > > But even Bundy has now condemned the use of federal law enforcement in local protests, and the Three Percent Militia, arguably the most powerful in America, criticized Donald Trump for suggesting that looters be shot. Trump’s overreach is causing schisms inside these ultra-right movements; at an Idaho militia rally I attended in June, hundreds of armed men and women applauded as a speaker from Black Lives Matter condemned the police murder of George Floyd. If Trump can’t hold the Coeur d’Alene fairgrounds, he won’t take downtown Portland. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/27 "2020-07-24T04:00:28Z")
It’s really interesting to see how different flavors of right wing crazy view this situation. On the Three Percenters (from Wikipedia): > The movement was co-founded by Michael “Mike” Brian Vanderboegh from Alabama, a member of the Oath Keepers, a group with whom the Three Percenters remain loosely allied and are often compared to. Vanderboegh claims to have formerly been a member of Students for a Democratic Society and the Socialist Workers Party, but abandoned left-wing politics and politics in general in 1977 after being introduced to libertarianism. > The group provided security for a 2017 event held by Patriot Prayer called “Rally for Trump and Freedom”. Several Three Percenters were also present and providing security for the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia. After the events at Charlottesville, the group’s “National Council” issued a “stand down order”, stating, “we will not align ourselves with any type of racist group”. Although: > In 2018, three men were arrested in connection with the bombing of a Minnesota mosque. The bombing was non-lethal. One of men involved, former sheriff’s deputy Michael B. Hari, had connections to the group. So although no doubt racist views are widespread in the demographic of their membership, the group in itself does not appear to have any racist agenda. I guess that makes their position on violent suppression of BLM demonstrations by government agents much easier to understand. Maybe they don’t really give a shit about black lives, but their hatred for the Federal government is such that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/28 "2020-07-24T04:11:01Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > From an Australian satire site: > > [NRA Accidentally Forgets To Rise Up Against Tyrannical Government — The Shovel](https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/06/04/nra-accidentally-forgets-to-rise-up-against-tyrannical-government/) That reads like something from _The Bloomin" Onion._ ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/29 "2020-07-24T04:19:38Z")
ETA: Although I share the OP’s cynicism about the self-serving hypocrisy of the average MAGA fuckwit (not to mention the NRA) with regard to Constitutional principles, I have to say the the Three Percenters in Oregon do appear to have a consistently principled insane hatred of the Federal Government. If Trump’s excesses get more out of control, it does seem conceivable that we might see Bundy’s crowd lining up with BLM protesters against Federal government tyranny. How bizarre would that be? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/30 "2020-07-24T05:56:45Z")
We have a few satirical outlets in Aus, but The Shovel and The Betoota Advocate are probably the most widely read and laughed at. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/31 "2020-07-25T22:47:59Z")
OK, as the SD consensus seems that the self-appointed militias are not marshalling the resistance envisioned in the US Constitution because they are indeed sympathetic to the tyranny and oppression. Therefore, apart from a concerted federal move on either the 2nd Amendment directly or indirectly on the type of weapon freely available, what other issue would get these American patriots out of their bunkers for the broad purpose they were envisioned? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/32 "2020-07-25T23:15:38Z")
On a side note, many years ago there was a Doper here who started a thread called, “Ask the Militia Guy.” I’ll see if I can find it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/33 "2020-07-26T03:10:04Z")
I’ll just leave this here… > **[3 members of armed militia injured in shooting at Breonna Taylor protest](https://abcnews.go.com/US/members-armed-militia-shot-breonna-taylor-protest/story?id=71990031)** > > The armed NFAC had announced they were planning to protest Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/34 "2020-07-26T03:52:29Z")
No, the National Guard is now part of the Army reserve. Ultimately they answer to trump. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/35 "2020-07-26T13:56:12Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > OK, as the SD consensus seems that the self-appointed militias are not marshalling the resistance envisioned in the US Constitution because they are indeed sympathetic to the tyranny and oppression. > > Therefore, apart from a concerted federal move on either the 2nd Amendment directly or indirectly on the type of weapon freely available, what other issue would get these American patriots out of their bunkers for the broad purpose they were envisioned? As you suggest in your rhetorical question, they’ll (possibly) come out of their bunkers to defend their own interests as they see them. And only their own interests; this has nothing to do with citizenship writ large and concern for the governance of the country. The [wiki on Bundy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff) event is instructive. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/36 "2020-07-26T16:23:55Z")
From the linked ABC News report: > Louisville police released surveillance footage of the shooting that showed dozens of members of the NFAC milling around the park prior to the march when the gun accidentally discharged and a few people dropped to the ground injured. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/37 "2020-07-26T17:18:40Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Therefore, apart from a concerted federal move on either the 2nd Amendment directly or indirectly on the type of weapon freely available, what other issue would get these American patriots out of their bunkers for the broad purpose they were envisioned? I’m sure that they would come out of their bunkers if they were asked by the fascist govt to assist in dealing with the undesirables. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/38 "2020-07-26T17:29:43Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > Therefore, apart from a concerted federal move on either the 2nd Amendment directly or indirectly on the type of weapon freely available, what other issue would get these American patriots out of their bunkers for the broad purpose they were envisioned? That’s an interesting question. Perhaps the purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure that people have guns to defend their right to have guns? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/39 "2020-07-26T17:41:33Z")
A Constitutional Right to circular logic? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961/40 "2020-07-26T18:13:54Z")
I have a complaint: I ordered my militia with the fascism on the side. But there’s fascism all over this thing. I want to speak to the manager. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hang-on-where-are-the-well-ordered-militias/915961.md?page=3)