But it’s boring with all the portraits facing South and West. He should be rendered facing North.
Sounds to me more like an argument against Star Trek: Voyager. Which I think most of the people on this board could get behind. (I’d forgotten the name of that series, so I Googled “worst Star Trek series” to find it).
I agree strategies would have been different, but “it’s anyone’s guess,” even though he won the national popular vote by 10 million?
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The argument upthread that without the EC, Gore would have won 2000 and 2004, and Obama probably would not have been able to capture anyone’s attention is much better.
Does anyone really believe Williams was making that kind of subtle argument?
He obviously doesn’t have a very deep understanding of electoral politics or he’d realize that his side benefits more often than not from the electoral college. If he realized that, he wouldn’t be arguing against it with some complex contrived argument about the twice removed effects of the electoral college.
The issue is not agreeing or disagreeing with the electoral college system. The issue was Williams not knowing that Obama also won the popular vote. His position on the EC is really neither here nor there.
No, no, Bricker is arguing that the nomination process would have been different, and that Obama might not have won the nomination. I think.
If so, I don’t buy it. Primary elections and cauceses are still going to be run state by state and, most likely, not all at once even without an Electoral College. I don’t see how the lack of an Electoral College would change the primary system at all.
Can we start apportioning Senators by population too? Why should Rhode Island have just as much say as Wyoming which is much bigger?
I have a huge problem with the electoral college. Several problems with it, actually. The sooner it’s abolished, the better. Replacing it with a system in which electoral representatives are elected by urban vs. rural populations, or techies vs. humanities majors, at least would fix a bit of the problem–but it’s still a terrible system for the modern world.
If Obama hadn’t won the primary, Hillary Clinton would be president now (probably with Obama as VP), so I don’t think that’s a fantasy that republicans would be likely to yearn for.
Though, since Sarah Palin was added to the ticket as a reaction to Obama’s nomination, maybe if it were Hillary instead, they would have gone with someone less disastrous to the GOP ticket. Let’s ask the What-If machine…
Is this a woosh? Wyoming has half of Rhode Islands population.
Yes, but it was meant to go over Hank Williams Jr’s head, not yours.
And we want it back!
You and your “reality based” crowd think you’re smart, don’t you. 
HW, jr is also stupid because without the electoral college, how else would all his patriotic, “Real America” states ever compete with the states that are actually where most Americans live?
Well, at least he didn’t say anything about birth certificates.
Baby steps, people.
If his position on the EC is neither here nor there, then how come someone in this thread criticizing him said “Hey, if a political guru like Hank Williams Jr. says get rid of the electoral college, then who are we to argue? Clearly, his political vision is greater than that of, say, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and our other founding fathers.”?
You can’t hold Diogenes to something posted by another user.
No, but if he portrays the thread one way, I can give evidence contradicting that.
That’s our problem! We don’t have a congress which represents states according to their population! If we did, Obama wouldn’t be president.
Time for a civics lesson. The federal government is designed to be a compromise between the interests of the people and of the states. There’s a reason why the preamble why the preamble states, “We the people of The United States…”
The bicameral legislative branch is the perfect example: The House of Representatives represents the people, and The Senate represents the states. That’s why California has just as many Senators as Wyoming, because they are both states.
The Electoral College is another compromise between the people’s interest and the states’ interest. Ideally, the States should follow Nebraska and Maine’s leads when if comes to dividing the Electoral votes: Divide the votes by congressional district and give the remaining two to whoever wins the state. Bills like Maryland’s are ineffective red herrings. They provide a way for the state legislators to say that they are doing something about the Electoral College with out having to do a damned thing.
Back in 2000, I had a big speech accompanied by some mathematical proofs all ready to defend the College to my Republican friends (I was convinces that Bush would win the popular, but Gore would win the College.) Turns out my fellow Democrats were the ones who needed convincing.
Oh and Bocephus is an idiot. It’s a same that more people think of him than his father when the name Hank Williams is mentioned.