# Happy now Clothahump?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [January 4, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312 "2006-01-04T00:50:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/241 "2006-01-06T17:16:52Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> I would hope they’re not representative of your country, Jim but I have my doubts.
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> Isn’t it funny how they automatically assumed I would be crossing the border illegally? They aren’t prejudiced now are they?
Oh plenty of prejudice on this board. Most of us have some. Hopefully most of us continue to try and overcome it. We also generally avoid using words with negative racial connotations.
You mentioned earlier you use to live in the US for a while and you obviously write the language extremely well. I actually wish I was bilingual; I envy your expertise in this. Perhaps you might wish to refrain from using the word Gringo, especially when making harsh observations. Context has a lot to do with perceived epithets.
I’ll say it again, if you had presented your argument differently, I think you would have found a lot of people supporting you.
The Shooting is quite possible excessive. \*\*Clothahump \*\* statement in the other thread would definitely raise the hackles of many posters, but you started this thread by seemingly inferring that \*\*Clothahump \*\* should be Happy that this 18 year old was shot dead.
Most posters seem to think that what he was doing was at least illegal and more importantly that if he did indeed throw a rock or rocks at an officer of the law, it was a very dumb mistake that has unfortunately proved fatal.
Jim
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/242 "2006-01-06T17:20:17Z")
> [@Scumpup](#):
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> I lived along the border for several years and regularly went across into Mexico. FTR, my impression of the Mexican police is that throwing a rock at one of them would quite likely cost you your life.
That is highly unlikely. They may beat the shit out of you, but I honestly doubt you’d be killed for throwing a rock.
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### Author:  [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/243 "2006-01-06T17:31:05Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> I would hope they’re not representative of your country, Jim but I have my doubts.
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> Isn’t it funny how they automatically assumed I would be crossing the border illegally? They aren’t prejudiced now are they?
If you aren’t crossing the border illeagally and not chucking rocks at officers then you have nothing to worry about. Why even bring up the fact that YOU can cross the border anytime you want if you plan on doing it peacefully and leagally? Especially when the topic of discussion pertains to illeagal aliens crossing the border and then assaulting a federal officer. Which is, obviously, a retarded thing to do.
And you are the one throwing around racial slurs. Not us. You aren’t prejudice now are you?
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### Author:  [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/244 "2006-01-06T17:43:55Z")
A lot of the gist of the thread (from posters other than **CBEscapee** ) is that _legal_ entry into the country is fine. More than fine, welcomed.
Had the guy pursued _legal_ immigration, he would not have been shot. He probably shouldn’t have been shot for trying to illegally immigrate, but certainly would not have been shot had he went the legal route.
**CBEscapee** , are you going to address whether or not the 11 previous deportations are the work of the “biased American media sources”, or are in fact true?
If true, then it would appear the illegal had to know he was in no danger and should have turned himself in for his 12th deportation.
If false, then your rant about our porous border and Homeland Security was just a cheap shot you pulled from your ass.
Which will it be?
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/245 "2006-01-06T17:46:07Z")
> [@Greathouse](#):
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> If you aren’t crossing the border illeagally and not chucking rocks at officers then you have nothing to worry about. Why even bring up the fact that YOU can cross the border anytime you want if you plan on doing it peacefully and leagally? Especially when the topic of discussion pertains to illeagal aliens crossing the border and then assaulting a federal officer. Which is, obviously, a retarded thing to do.
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> And you are the one throwing around racial slurs. Not us. You aren’t prejudice now are you?
Gringo isn’t racist. Because _estadounidenses_ choose to interpret the word that way don’t blame me. I’ve already posted the Spanish definition from several sources. None consider it derogatory.
English has many loan words from other languages. Most of you don’t even realize you use them. I don’t know of any loan words of Spanish origen that have a different definition in English.
I mean a burro is a burro, a taco is a taco, an armadillo is an armadillo, a patio is a patio etc… But now people here are telling me gringo has a different meaning.
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### Author:  [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/246 "2006-01-06T17:46:41Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> That is highly unlikely. They may beat the shit out of you, but I honestly doubt you’d be killed for throwing a rock.
Yeah? My department chairman must have imagined his brother being shot in the back of the head and killed while fleeing from one. Admittedly, though, he had thrown a punch not a rock.
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### Author:  [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/247 "2006-01-06T17:53:07Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> Gringo isn’t racist. Because _estadounidenses_ choose to interpret the word that way don’t blame me. I’ve already posted the Spanish definition from several sources. None consider it derogatory.
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> English has many loan words from other languages. Most of you don’t even realize you use them. I don’t know of any loan words of Spanish origen that have a different definition in English.
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> I mean a burro is a burro, a taco is a taco, an armadillo is an armadillo, a patio is a patio etc… But now people here are telling me gringo has a different meaning.
So you were not using the word in a derogatory manner while referring to many, if not all, WASPs in the United States of America?
Interesting. Because that is certainly the way it came off. Perhaps you simply aren’t presenting yourself clearly, because I do not think I am the only one who came to this conclusion.
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/248 "2006-01-06T18:01:01Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> Isn’t it funny how they automatically assumed I would be crossing the border illegally? They aren’t prejudiced now are they?
Man, you’re a dumb fuck. IF someone came to that conclusion, why do you think that might be? Hmmm, let’s see… Do you think it could have anything to do with the millions of the other Mexicans who HAVE come here illegaly?
Or were you just using the word “prejudiced” in some non-English sense? In Spanish does it mean “logical”? :wally
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/249 "2006-01-06T18:06:16Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#):
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> A lot of the gist of the thread (from posters other than **CBEscapee** ) is that _legal_ entry into the country is fine. More than fine, welcomed.
>
> Had the guy pursued _legal_ immigration, he would not have been shot. He probably shouldn’t have been shot for trying to illegally immigrate, but certainly would not have been shot had he went the legal route.
>
> **CBEscapee** , are you going to address whether or not the 11 previous deportations are the work of the “biased American media sources”, or are in fact true?
>
> If true, then it would appear the illegal had to know he was in no danger and should have turned himself in for his 12th deportation.
>
> If false, then your rant about our porous border and Homeland Security was just a cheap shot you pulled from your ass.
>
> Which will it be?
[Lies](http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/notas/Noticias/20060105/97823.asp)
“Estados Unidos señaló el martes que el occiso tenía antecedentes por cruce ilegal de personas, aunque nunca explicó como es que si fue detenido tantas veces, a los 20 años de edad, era posible que haya recobrado su libertad en repetidas ocasiones.”
Translated:
“The United States declared Tuesday that the deceased had prior arrests for people smuggling although they never explained how , if he had been detained so many times, at 20 years of age, it was possible for him to regain his freedom repeatedly.”
My point is either the BP is lying or Homeland Security is a farce.
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/250 "2006-01-06T18:08:58Z")
> [@Scumpup](#):
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> Yeah? My department chairman must have imagined his brother being shot in the back of the head and killed while fleeing from one. Admittedly, though, he had thrown a punch not a rock.
Anecdotes don’t cut it on the SDMB. Let’s see a cite.
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/251 "2006-01-06T18:13:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> Man, you’re a dumb fuck. IF someone came to that conclusion, why do you think that might be? Hmmm, let’s see… Do you think it could have anything to do with the millions of the other Mexicans who HAVE come here illegaly?
>
> Or were you just using the word “prejudiced” in some non-English sense? In Spanish does it mean “logical”? :wally
How about the Mexicans who enter the US legally each day? I’ll bet more enter legally everyday than illegally.
You really are an idiot.
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### Author:  [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/252 "2006-01-06T18:18:39Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> Anecdotes don’t cut it on the SDMB. Let’s see a cite.
This isn’t GD, or even really a discussion, pendejo. It’s a Pitting. The fellow was killed in the spring of 1989 in Nuevo Laredo. I don’t know if newspaper articles and/or police records from that time in Nuevo Laredo are available on-line or not. I suspect not. In any case, your piss-poor, shiney-assed performance in this thread disqualifies you from falling back on any SDMB points of protocol, AFAIAC.
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/253 "2006-01-06T18:23:06Z")
> [@Scumpup](#):
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> This isn’t GD, or even really a discussion, pendejo. It’s a Pitting. The fellow was killed in the spring of 1989 in Nuevo Laredo. I don’t know if newspaper articles and/or police records from that time in Nuevo Laredo are available on-line or not. I suspect not. In any case, your piss-poor, shiney-assed performance in this thread disqualifies you from falling back on any SDMB points of protocol, AFAIAC.
You mean people on this thread can ask me for cites but I can’t? Also I find it strange how you failed to mention that incident in your first post on the subject. So when you can prove it, I’ll believe it.
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### Author:  [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/254 "2006-01-06T18:34:49Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> Isn’t it funny how they automatically assumed I would be crossing the border illegally?
Well if you were attempting to cross the border legally the Border Partol most definately can keep you out if they like. You have no right to be in the United States. Hell, the US is within it’s rights to shoot everyone coming across the border. See North Korea, People’s Democratic Republic of.
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> English has many loan words from other languages.
Duh. Show me a language that doesn’t. Sheesh, English was formed from German and French smashed together in a force marriage. Of course it was bound to get some other lovin’.
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### Author:  [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/255 "2006-01-06T18:35:38Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> My point is either the BP is lying or Homeland Security is a farce.
I realize that, that’s why I keep asking you which it is. Is the BP lying, or is Homeland Security a farce?
If the BP is lying, then your rant about Homeland Security is just a cheap shot pulled from your ass.
If Homeland Security is a farce and let the guy go 11 times, then you have to admit that he had more than ample chances to realize he was in no danger from a 12th deportation.
Which will it be?
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### Author:  [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/256 "2006-01-06T18:38:07Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> You mean people on this thread can ask me for cites but I can’t? Also I find it strange how you failed to mention that incident in your first post on the subject. So when you can prove it, I’ll believe it.
I’m sure you find a great many things strange, even baffling. As I recall, I said my impression of the Mexican police was that they would likely kill you for chunking a goonie at them. You indicated disagreement. I expanded on why I hold that opinion by describing an incident that took place involving people I knew. You’re as much at liberty to disbelieve me as you are to disbelieve that gringo is an offensive term.
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/257 "2006-01-06T18:44:57Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> How about the Mexicans who enter the US legally each day? I’ll bet more enter legally everyday than illegally.
Are you saying that of the Mexican’s tha leave Mexico to live in the U.S., that more do it legally than illegaly? If so, I’ll have to ask you for a cite.
So, cite?
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### Author:  [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/258 "2006-01-06T19:34:25Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#):
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> Thanks for the tip but I can cross the border anytime I want and your gestapoesque “Homeland Security” goons can’t do a fucking thing about it.
Gestapoesque? Goons? I’m sure this is starting to get redundant, but “cite?”
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/259 "2006-01-06T19:34:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> Are you saying that of the Mexican’s tha leave Mexico to live in the U.S., that more do it legally than illegaly? If so, I’ll have to ask you for a cite.
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> So, cite?
I said **enter** stupid. Don’t you understand English?
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### Author:  [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/260 "2006-01-06T19:43:09Z")
> [@Monty](#):
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> Gestapoesque? Goons? I’m sure this is starting to get redundant, but “cite?”
See Scumbag’s above post. I’m not allowed to ask for any cites so in all fairness can people ask me for cites?
But I’m sure I’ll get flamed for that answer so here’s what I did, I Googled the words gestapo homeland security and got 116,000 hits. Take your pick. You’re welcome.
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