# Happy now Clothahump? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 4, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312 "2006-01-04T00:50:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/281 "2006-01-06T21:07:41Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > If one is born in America, one never crosses a border. > > If one lives in a land that America adds to itself, the border crosses them. > > So I must ask, then, how you claim to be able to cross the border without Homeland Security being able to do a thing about it. What the hell does that jibberish mean? Never crosses a border, a border crosses them. WTF are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/282 "2006-01-06T21:11:06Z")
I am searching, of course, for your claim on how to cross the border without Homeland Security being able to do a darn thing about it. Do share with us this method. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/283 "2006-01-06T21:11:41Z")
At least he’s not so lame that he refuses to answer a question. I guess sticking your fingers in your ears and saying jajaja is your idea of a debate. Pretty fucking lame. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/284 "2006-01-06T21:17:53Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > What the hell does that jibberish mean? Never crosses a border, a border crosses them. WTF are you talking about? If one were, say, living in the area of the Gadsen purchase a day before that treaty went into effect why the next day they would have been in the USA, not due to their crossing the border but rather the border moving positions. Not that I expect the borders to change any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/285 "2006-01-06T21:20:12Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > And that is exactly why I started this pit thread. Unless you call Clothalump’s statement in my OP demonstrating respect for fellow human beings. Newsflash, Sunny Jim. I have respect for fellow human beings in most cases. I have ZERO respect for criminals. And whether you like it or not, people crossing into the USA **illegally** are criminals. Now, why am I so adamant against illegal aliens, to the point where I advocate shooting them if necessary to keep them out? A variety of reasons come to mind. I won’t bother with the terrorists coming in; we know that is happening. Instead, I will concentrate on three very visible results of illegal immigration: 1. Disease. > [@](#): > > Horrendous diseases that long ago America had conquered are resurging. Horrific diseases common in Third World poverty and medical ignorance suddenly are appearing in American emergency rooms and medical offices. Along with the visible invasion of Illegal Aliens across our borders is an invisible invasion of deadly diseases.[4] > > Many illegals who skulk across our borders have tuberculosis (TB). That disease had disappeared from America thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as Isoniazid and Rifampin.[5] ,[6] ,[7] ,[8] ,[9] ,[10] TB’s swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60% of those infected. The culprit is the new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis (MDR-TB).[11] Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico.[12] ,[13] > > The mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major TB drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs (that cost about $2000). MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs with toxic side effects (that cost around $250,000).[14] ,[15] Each Illegal Alien with MDR-TB coughs and infects numerous people who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later, like a time bomb. > > TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002 it spiked a 17% increase, but Prince William County, not far from Washington, D.C., had a meteoric rise of 188%. Public health officials blamed immigrants. Indiana School of Medicine in 2001 studied an outbreak of MDR-TB traced to illegal aliens from Mexico. [http://www.rense.com/general64/ill.htm](http://www.rense.com/general64/ill.htm) In addition to TB, we are also seeing polio, Chagas Disease, Hepatitis A and B, and leprosy among others being brought in by illegals. 2. Crime > [@](#): > > Now, the scope of the illegal crime wave is difficult to measure, because we’re not supposed to ask. But some figures are illustrative. In Los Angeles, the LAPD has a fugitive warrant section. And 95 percent of all murder outstanding warrants target illegal aliens, and two-thirds of all outstanding felony warrants target illegal aliens. This doesn’t mean that 95 percent of all murders or crimes are committed by illegals, but the people who have turned fugitive are predominantly illegals. > > The California Justice Department estimated that 60 percent of the 18th Street Gang is illegal. Jill Stuart recently suggested that in California 14,000 inmates are illegal aliens. > > The only category of crime nationally that has been going up in recent years is gang crime. Between 1999 and 2002, gang crime skyrocketed 50 percent, an unprecedented increase. And that increase which is going on across the country is driven by one thing: immigration. [http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19708](http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19708) > [@](#): > > Of any level of government in the United States, counties operate under the most restricted authority to raise and spend revenue. County governments must also balance their budgets every year and live within strict limitations on incurring debt. Unanticipated expenditures throughout the fiscal year mean cutting back on budgeted programs and services. Further, county governments > along the U.S.-Mexico border are some of the poorest in the nation and traditionally operate with slim budgets and staffing. Single incidents can bankrupt a small departmental budget. In one case, Border Patrol agents discovered 130 illegal immigrants crammed into a rental truck in Hidalgo County, New Mexico.6 Holes had been cut in the top of the truck, but the immigrants had no food > or water. Many fled on foot into the desert and became casualties. Accidents on U.S. interstate highways are also becoming common, as vans holding immigrants blow tires or drivers fall asleep, spilling injured immigrants out into the desert. Treatment, as well as autopsies and burials, often becomes a county expense.7 Moreover, ranchers near the border, particularly in Cochise County, have begun to organize themselves in hopes of deterring the escalating practice of trespassing across their property. The situation had become so volatile that U.S. Senator John McCain called on Attorney General Janet Reno to take immediate action to protect Arizona border residents from a flood of illegal immigration. “The people of Cochise County,” he wrote, “cannot tolerate the lawlessness, crime and property damage associated with the absence of an appropriate federal response to the flood of illegal aliens any longer.” [http://earthops.org/immigration/bordercounties/introduction.pdf](http://earthops.org/immigration/bordercounties/introduction.pdf) (PDF FILE) 1. Economics Directly related to both of the above. Illegals are clogging our hospital emergency rooms and our schools and our jails and our welfare systems, and the American taxpayers are carrying the cost of that burden directly on our backs. Just a few numbers: The effect on Minnesota alone: > [@](#): > > The following chart provides an overview of the state costs: > Program Area Illegal Immigrants’ Cost Impact to Minnesota > K-12 Public Education $118-$158 million (for FY 2004)4 > Public Assistance Health Care Programs $17 million (for FY 2005)5 > Incarceration $13 million (for FY 2005)6 > Total $148-188 million [http://www.state.mn.us/mn/externalDocs/Administration/Report\_The\_Impact\_of\_Illegal\_Immigration\_on\_Minnesota\_120805035315\_Illegal%20Immigration%20Brief%2026.pdf](http://www.state.mn.us/mn/externalDocs/Administration/Report_The_Impact_of_Illegal_Immigration_on_Minnesota_120805035315_Illegal%20Immigration%20Brief%2026.pdf) (PDF FILE) > [@](#): > > From Florida to California, illegal aliens show up at hospital emergency rooms and the costs are passed along to paying patients and to local taxpayers. The American Hospital Association estimates that the costs of bad debt and charity care run into the billions. > > A Martin County, Fla., hospital has spent $900,000 (with no end in. sight) caring for a Guatemalan illegal, who appeared at the emergency room two years ago with a brain injury after an automobile accident. He has no money and no family, but somehow he has a lawyer who has successfully prevented deportation to Guatemala. > > A Jamaican illegal spent 17 months under care at the same hospital. After he ran up a bill of $500,000, he was finally sent home to Jamaica. > > St. Mary’s Medical Center in West Palm Beach treats one or two illegals a week and Delray Medical Center about 75 a month. Hospitals are required to provide care to anyone who shows up with a life-threatening condition. [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_qa3827/is\_200208/ai\_n9125198](http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200208/ai_n9125198) In short: the United States is fighting for its own survival here. Let me ask you a serious question here: if you were being attacked by someone, would you not fight back? Especially if you knew that person was going to rob and possibly kill you or your family? Any intelligent person would answer yes. Why then do you have such a problem with my advocating fighting back for survival? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/286 "2006-01-06T21:22:17Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > If one were, say, living in the area of the Gadsen purchase a day before that treaty went into effect why the next day they would have been in the USA, not due to their crossing the border but rather the border moving positions. Not that I expect the borders to change any time soon. Yeah, or something like [The Battle of San Jacinto](http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/batsanjacinto.htm). Some borders moved that day, amigo. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/287 "2006-01-06T21:22:39Z")
Because you’re an ignorant gringo, **Clothahump**. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/288 "2006-01-06T21:22:51Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Is that what happened on December 30? Hey shit for brains. Answer the question, and this time read the word “hypothetically”. What happened that you’re talking about in your OP is some dumbass thought it was a good idea to lean a ladder against a border fence, then when he got caught by a Border Guard (of all the people!), who was armed, and whom he knew to be armed, then chose to assault him with a rock, got his ass shot. In case you forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/289 "2006-01-06T21:25:51Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > So childish monty really. If you google _american police murder_ it returns 5 time that of your query. What are you trying to prove? Childish? Look, you jerk, I’m merely suggesting that you actually make yourself aware of facts for a change. Try reading those threads you find. The majority of the ones I find with my search terms showed the police in Mexico as the murderers. The majority of the ones I find with your search terms showed dthe police investigating murders. Where in America are the police the hired goons for wealthy landowners? How widespread in America is institutionalized bribery of police officers on a rather large scale? In case you missed my earlier queries, maybe this will be more clear: 1. What is the law in Mexico regarding assault on a police officer? 2. Is assaulting an officer with a rock considered assault with a deadly weapon? 3. Are the police in Mexico permitted to respond with deadly force to an assault with a deadly weapon? 4. What methods does Mexican law enforcement use to secure Mexico’s southern border? ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/290 "2006-01-06T21:26:23Z")
OK all of you whizzes, it’s time for a quiz. I’ve made it easy so don’t get all nervous and sweaty. Who brought the word “racist” into this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/291 "2006-01-06T21:28:44Z")
> [@Mr Bus Guy](#): > > Hey shit for brains. Answer the question, and this time read the word “hypothetically”. > > What happened that you’re talking about in your OP is some dumbass thought it was a good idea to lean a ladder against a border fence, then when he got caught by a Border Guard (of all the people!), who was armed, and whom he knew to be armed, then chose to assault him with a rock, got his ass shot. > > In case you forgot. You left out the racist part. C’mon, you know that every time anybody who is not white is killed anywhere in the world it’s because a white American male did it on purpose, and when a white American male is killed it’s still the responsibility of some white American male because to say otherwise is racist. I thought everybody knew that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/292 "2006-01-06T21:29:50Z")
I don’t know, but you’re certainly raising it like it was your own child. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/293 "2006-01-06T21:30:17Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > OK all of you whizzes, it’s time for a quiz. I’ve made it easy so don’t get all nervous and sweaty. > > Who brought the word “racist” into this thread? You did, by calling us a derogatory name that is racist, and by continuing to use it even after it had been pointed out to you that it is. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/294 "2006-01-06T21:32:58Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Who brought the word “racist” into this thread? It’s pretty much a tie. The 1st time the word was used was in post #12; as a shot a WD. You followed a moment later in post #13 with the term ‘gringo hypocrisy’. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/295 "2006-01-06T21:33:46Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > You left out the racist part. C’mon, you know that every time anybody who is not white is killed anywhere in the world it’s because a white American male did it on purpose, and when a white American male is killed it’s still the responsibility of some white American male because to say otherwise is racist. > > I thought everybody knew that. :rolleyes: I forgot. I’m just a dumb Gr… Hey, wait, no I’m not! You white folks are that word. Me, I’m a third generation descendant of LEGAL immigration. Shit, does that disqualify me from further participation? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/296 "2006-01-06T21:38:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Childish? Look, you jerk, I’m merely suggesting that you actually make yourself aware of facts for a change. Try reading those threads you find. The majority of the ones I find with my search terms showed the police in Mexico as the murderers. The majority of the ones I find with your search terms showed dthe police investigating murders. Where in America are the police the hired goons for wealthy landowners? How widespread in America is institutionalized bribery of police officers on a rather large scale? > > In case you missed my earlier queries, maybe this will be more clear: > > 1. What is the law in Mexico regarding assault on a police officer? > 2. Is assaulting an officer with a rock considered assault with a deadly weapon? > 3. Are the police in Mexico permitted to respond with deadly force to an assault with a deadly weapon? > 4. What methods does Mexican law enforcement use to secure Mexico’s southern border? !. I don’t know 2. I don’t know 3. Yes 4. I don’t have that information The threads for Mexico murder police etc show up in a majority? That is pure bullshit. I suppose you clicked on over 3 million links. Where in America are police hired as goons for private land owners? The US military perhaps? Gotta keep that halliburton stock up. How widespread is bribing policemen in the US? I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/297 "2006-01-06T21:42:34Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > Where in America are police hired as goons for private land owners? The US military perhaps? Gotta keep that halliburton stock up. Now there’s a gem. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/298 "2006-01-06T21:45:45Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > I’m not trying to convince anyone. I’m convinced and that satisfies me. Oh, man. You need to leave the SDMB and go be an active member on [this forum.](http://forums.delphiforums.com/proud_Ignorant/start) It was absolutely designed for twits like you. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/299 "2006-01-06T21:46:13Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > It’s pretty much a tie. The 1st time the word was used was in post #12; as a shot a WD. You followed a moment later in post #13 with the term ‘gringo hypocrisy’. No it’s not a tie. YR started the racist comments here. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312/300 "2006-01-06T21:48:30Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Duh. Show me a language that doesn’t. Sheesh, English was formed from German and French smashed together in a force marriage. Of course it was bound to get some other lovin’. Latin lovin’, among others. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/happy-now-clothahump/338312.md?page=16)