# Hard working and tardy vs. punctual and lazy

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hard-working-and-tardy-vs-punctual-and-lazy/399565>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [April 10, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hard-working-and-tardy-vs-punctual-and-lazy/399565 "2007-04-10T23:59:53Z")\
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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hard-working-and-tardy-vs-punctual-and-lazy/399565/41 "2007-04-14T13:33:52Z")

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I was told my first day at work: You have to be here at certain hours and you have to get your work done. If I don’t have any work to do, I am free to do whatever I like as long as I am in the office.

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**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hard-working-and-tardy-vs-punctual-and-lazy/399565/42 "2007-04-14T14:31:51Z")

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> [@taxi78cab](#):
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> If there’s an early meeting, we’re expected to be on time (Well, “on time” here being defined as arriving ~5 minutes after the meeting is scheduled to start. No meetings actually start at the time they’re scheduled. I usually walk into conference rooms 1-2 minutes after a meeting’s start time, and 90% of the time I’m the first person there.) but otherwise the company has a general mentality of get your work done and be available when the boss needs you but otherwise there really isn’t a requirement to be here at 8:00 on the dot.

My company also has a similar culture. It’s often caused by weak, incompetent and apathetic leadership. It happens when you have a manager who doesn’t want to manage. It seems common in technology companies where the best technologist gets promoted when all he wants to do is code. It also happens in consulting firms where senior people would rather put in face time with clients than lead their projects. Basically, the manager in question would rather not deal with typical management issues like tardiness, poor performance or any internal conflicts. Soon the mental patients, in effect, run the hospital with predictable results. And it gets worse when you hire the next wave of staff and they take their que from the current group.

We’re having that problem now. Our people stroll in around 10 if they show up at all, they’re late for every meeting and they push back when you ask them to do anything they don’t feel is “their job”. Well, a lot of them are going to be surprised next year when they don’t get raises or promotions.

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